Muslim community leader who lied about BNP kidnap is illegal immigrant

[ifuseekamy]

Maybe we should extradite him and appropriately punish him under Shariah Law. I believe treason warrants execution.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Nowhere does it say he voted for her nomination because she was a woman and black, Dan. He voted to get a left wing candidate in to do some damage to Ed Balls campaign - thats the way I see it. There are no shortlists based on race - that is against the law. How many times do I have to say that as well? The only exception was all woman shortlists were exempt from the Sexual Discrimination Act for awhile but I believe that has been repealed as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4368035.stm
http://operationblackvote.wordpress....ty-selections/
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7149096.ece
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...id-801230.html

Harriet Harman has been calling for them and its been done but not 'offically' so it doesnt upset the grassroots of the party. Of course Miliband voted for her to make himself look good, he could have voted for any other candidate if he was so eager to give everybody such a chance at the leadership but he voted for Diane Abbott . I mean the fact you are denying it is really astounding even when hes said himself "It's an important day for diversity. I believe in the politics of debate and dialogue." - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22323150/

The fact you have members and ministers of your party (same goes for other parties as well) who are openly pushing for apartheid policies to me is just as bad as the BNP who are also only talking about their ideas on discrimination against blacks and asians. I take it then, you place Labours current leader Harriet Harman, on the same level as Nick Griffin?

As for the rules changing, nothing has changed - Harman is preparing to change the rules of the party already so that half of the cabinet are female. The woman and the entire lot of them are nothing but marxist despots.

so you do not believe that something needs to be done to make parliament more representative towards the population after centuries of male dominance?

So you want to demolish democratic choice in voting for members of parliament?

A woman should get to parliament on her own merit, much like Mrs Thatcher did back in the days where the Conservative aristocracy tried to prevent her from doing so. Being a male, a female, gay, straight, black, asian, green or blue does not matter. If we live in a democracy then all thats matters is that the party chooses freely who to nominate as a candidate and the electorate makes the final decision about who goes to parliament. I suppose we should turn it around and put you in a scenario;

You apply for a job and have three A* grades and perform with flying colours in the interview.
A woman applies for the same job and she has only one A* grade and struggles in the interview.

Would you be happy surrendering your place to her in the name of diversity and representation?

yes and that's a con of it. i haven't said i agree with it, although it does increase representation.

The problem is that is doesnt increase representation. Black people do not all share the same views, nor do asians, gays, straights, whites and so forth - parliament is not about how many black faces you can fit in, its about representative views and by imposing these apartheid regulations and laws onto parties and the country in general - you infringe democracy and create exactly the same system that existed in South Africa.

european parliament can reject bills lol?
european council are the head of states of each 27 countries respectively, that's democratic enough for me
commission is elected by elected ministers and approved by an elected parliament
judges are appointed by elected governments, which is part of the power we give them in the mandate upon being elected

Saddam Hussein and his administration appointed their military chief - is that democratic enough for you?
Tsar Nicholas II appointed Pyotr Stolypin as his Prime Minister - was that your concept of democracy in work?
Mao appointed Lin Biao as his eventual successor - was that your concept of democracy at work?

A dictator and his parliament can elect eachother as much as they like, and afterall they can just say exactly what you have been saying "I've been elected by my local communist party" or "the parliament has elected me so I have democratic accountability" - the difference between the role of EU commissioners, and the European President compared to the role of say, speaker of the house in the United Kingdom is that the role of speaker is an internal role and does not influence policy on behalf of the majority of the general populace, the EU roles on the other hand do and serve as the government of Europe as I believe the Prodi commission made clear all them years ago.

The European Parliament can only reject certain pieces of legislative acts, I will have to read up on the statistics I have somewhere. There are regulations, directives and some other forms of bills - there is one or more type which can be bypassed past the parliament not to mention the fact all European law has supremacy over the British parliament - a parliament which was elected by the people of the United Kingdom to serve their interests and protect the consitution of this sovereign country. British MEPs make up just under 10% of the EU parliament, how can any piece of legisture coming from Brussels be democratically passed anyway when more than 90% of that decision was taken by MEPs from another country?

The Commission is also not democratic at all, when has anybody of the general public ever been asked to vote for a EU commissioner? - never. Do you not wonder why EU commissioners who hold them posts are ex-communists from the USSR or are convicted embezzlers and criminas - because they are appointed (yes appointed and not elected) by themselves and their friends hence where the term the EU gravy train comes from. None of these commissioners have been elected by the public and thus are not accountable by the people - the commission is the government of the union and is appointed by the parliament - that would be like the British parliament appointing our own government rather than the general public and thus it is not democratic at all.

The video below is just a quick run-through of some of the EU commissioners and their criminal records, another video exists should you wish to watch it of the communists within the commission being exposed. How ironic really, the communists we not elected in the USSR where many of them served and now they are not elected in the same body, just based on the other side of Europe!

I mean its so obvious to anyone whos studied the USSR who at least glanced at it, the similarties between the Soviet Union and the European Union - the last President of the USSR himself (Mr Gorbachev) even said he could not work out why western leaders were trying to create the exact same thing on the other side of Europe as the monster they had spent decades campaigning, preaching and even fighting against. The words come from those who were involved in the former USSR itself and here is just one example out of many; http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865 + not to mention Valclav Klaus who is sitting President of the Czech Republic, a national hero who fought against Soviet domination of his country and is warning of the same occuring within the European Union.

The European Council on the other hand and its President Herman Van Rompuy (who wants world government and has made that pretty clear, heck hes even said it himself) is supposed to be the figurehead of the European project, a man whos paid more than Obama and David Cameron - he is also unelected but has been appointed. This is where the difference comes in, your idea of democracy is somebody being appointed on your behalf (just like Communist China, Communist Cambodia, Cuba.. the list goes on) whereas my idea is actual democracy where the majority of the electorate vote for who they want to hold that office.

To finish it off, these offices were created without any democratic accountability whatsoever, although I guess they have some partial accountability becase the French said no, the Dutch said no and the Irish said no. The British people on the other hand where not even given a say on whether they wanted a President of Europe, let alone Mr Van Rompuy who most people would walk past in the street and be none the wiser.

How sad that we fought two world wars to stop this happening, and some of the young such as yourself just disregard it all.

[MattFr]

so you do not believe that something needs to be done to make parliament more representative towards the population after centuries of male dominance?

Is this serious? Nothing should be done to make parliament more "representative". Males are dominant in parliament because we voted them in, that's democracy. Heard of that? Parliament should passively become more "representative"; if women want to be part of it, they can bloody well earn it and get elected because of their core values and principles, not because it's the hip new thing to chose women over men.

Oh, and because you need telling again, since you ignore pretty much everything Dan says, discriminating against men to make parliament more "representative" is sexist. How can you slate the BNP when parties such as the Labour party are so sexist? This thread just radiates flawed logic.

[Catzsy]

@Dan. What you quoted - two are completely out of date and two are suggestions by the parties for implementation. Now if this is passed by parliament then it has been voted for by a majority of 'white middle class' males. It may be tough for you to swallow but that's life whether you think it is fair or unfair and all the ranting in the world is not going to stop it. David Milliband said 'diversity' not 'culteral diversity' - he meant as I said before to get a 'left winger' on the ballot sheet.Harriet Harman is a complete one off and not representative of the views of most women - she is too much.

Marxists despots? Now you really are talking a complete load of rubbish worthy of Nigel Farage and Nick Griffin - it doesn't pay to get too emotional when discussing politics .

@ MattFr - not flawed logic at all because BNP are a facist and racist organisation supported by a very small minority. I wonder why on earth we even give them the time of day on here. Yes, Males are more dominant in parliament because they were voted in and it is these same people who will decide it if it changes whether it is popular or not with members of the public who hold the stronger right wing view because that is democracy in action as well.

[Bun]

I NEVER ******* SAID I SUPPORTED IT?!