My favourite programming function in the entire world

Agnostic Bear · 21-06-2010, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by HotelUser

Internet explorer:
- Can't speak Javascript (because most every page complains about a JS error when there's none)
- Hates CSS with a passion and lacks common features of css everyone else uses
- changes the capitalization and quotations within source
- renders horribly slow
- has a god awful caching system
- Doesn't let us use cross domain calls through frames!
- It doesn't know what security is

It's not my opinion, it's a fact, and if you, a developer, who should have experienced having to tailor specific versions of your scripts to work on internet explorer, says otherwise, then I can't say you're much of a web developer, unless you know an incredibly good toolkit.

Oh, and just to prove my point, that Internet explorer is that uncooperative kid brother everyone hates:

HTML Code:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en-GB" lang="en-GB">
<head profile="http://dublincore.org/documents/dcq-html/">
<meta name="dcterms.created" content="2010-06-10T12:01:34Z" />
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" />
<meta name="description" content="Breaking news, sport, TV, radio and a whole lot more. The BBC informs, educates and entertains - wherever you are, whatever your age." />
<meta name="keywords" content="BBC, bbc.co.uk, bbc.com, Search, British Broadcasting Corporation, BBC iPlayer, BBCi" />
<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7" />
<meta name="robots" content="noodp" />
<link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="http://static.bbc.co.uk/homepage/img/iphone.png"/>
<title>BBC - Homepage</title>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://static.bbc.co.uk/homepage/css/bundles/international/main.css?3" media="screen,print" />
<!--[if IE 6]><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://static.bbc.co.uk/homepage/css/bundles/international/ie6.css?3" media="screen,print" />
<![endif]--><!--[if IE 7]><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://static.bbc.co.uk/homepage/css/bundles/international/ie7.css?3" media="screen,print" />
<![endif]--><!--[if IE 8]><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://static.bbc.co.uk/homepage/css/bundles/international/ie8.css?3" media="screen,print" />
<![endif]--><!--[if gt IE 8]><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://static.bbc.co.uk/homepage/css/bundles/international/gt-ie8.css?3" media="screen,print" />
<![endif]-->    <link rel="schema.dcterms" href="http://purl.org/dc/terms/" /> <link rel="index" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/a-z/" title="A to Z" /> <link rel="help" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/help/" title="BBC Help" /> <link rel="copyright" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/terms/" title="Terms of Use" /> <link rel="icon" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/favicon.ico" type="image/x-icon" /> <meta name="viewport" content="width = 974" />          <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://static.bbc.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/1.1.6/newnav/style/main.css"  />
            <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://static.bbc.co.uk/bbcdotcom/0.3.9/style/3pt_ads.css"  />
       <script type="text/javascript" src="http://node1.bbcimg.co.uk/glow/gloader.0.1.3.js"> gloader.use("glow", {map: "http://node1.bbcimg.co.uk/glow/glow/map.1.7.2.js"}); </script>     <script type="text/javascript" src="http://static.bbc.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/1.1.6/newnav/script/blq_core.js"></script>
  <!--[if (IE 6)|(IE 7)]>

Not only did BBC have to use different CSS and javascript for Internet Explorer, they had to use different sheets for different VERSIONS of Internet Explorer.

It's still an opinion. There are no facts or figures that can change somebody's opinion on a matter.

MrPinkPanther · 21-06-2010, 08:46 AM

A browser preference IS an opinion. From a coders perspective IE may be inferior but for the average end user there is little difference between Firefox and Internet Explorer, in fact Internet Explorer is probably the best option since it comes preinstalled.

Apolva · 21-06-2010, 09:11 AM

OK, it's an opinion shared by an over-all majority.

No idea why you are defending such a terrible browser still.

**GommeInc** · 21-06-2010, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Apolva

OK, it's an opinion shared by an over-all majority.

No idea why you are defending such a terrible browser still.

Because it works sufficiently and the dumb majority wouldn't know the difference? Remember, we're young and understand technology, a lot of people either don't care or do not know.

**HotelUser** · 21-06-2010, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Jewish Bear

It's still an opinion. There are no facts or figures that can change somebody's opinion on a matter.

If you're still staying this, Jewish Bear, then you've really discredited yourself in my eyes as a developer, because most web developers understand the limitations of Internet Explorer through experience, and it's a little concerning that you've never come across them.

Trinity · 21-06-2010, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by HotelUser

If you're still staying this, Jewish Bear, then you've really discredited yourself in my eyes as a developer, because most web developers understand the limitations of Internet Explorer through experience, and it's a little concerning that you've never come across them.

From what I've seen (although I could be wrong) he isn't saying it's an awesome browser, he isn't saying that he hasn't come across any issues with it, he just pointed out that you were expressing an opinion, not a fact.
Maybe he does think that it's awesome, maybe he doesn't. He hasn't actually stated anything in the thread (unless I've missed it).

**HotelUser** · 21-06-2010, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Trinity

From what I've seen (although I could be wrong) he isn't saying it's an awesome browser, he isn't saying that he hasn't come across any issues with it, he just pointed out that you were expressing an opinion, not a fact.
Maybe he does think that it's awesome, maybe he doesn't. He hasn't actually stated anything in the thread (unless I've missed it).

I will accept an opinion so long as it's backed up by reasonable points. In this case it's really not.

It's like how people say the Holocaust didn't happen, but then can't explain it and get mad when we facepalm at them!

Firehorse · 21-06-2010, 10:01 PM

Nice rant about your troubles with IE. We all know that IE can be a bugger to code for, but most of us just find ways around things and get on with it, rather than complaining on a forum or blocking out more than half your potential web traffic. I personally use Internet Explorer; not because I have problems with other browsers, but because i've used it from the start and am very used to it. I agree things sometimes look a little different, but as someone who tends to browse more than code at the moment all the websites I ever visit display fine. Also for some reason IE8 seems more responsive than FireFox, less clunky, and opens itself faster on the first load.

**HotelUser** · 21-06-2010, 10:42 PM

Futuristically I think there's going to be more pressure on Microsoft to bring raise Explorer's standards as to be more acceptable.

Originally Posted by Stuto

Nice rant about your troubles with IE. We all know that IE can be a bugger to code for, but most of us just find ways around things and get on with it, rather than complaining on a forum or blocking out more than half your potential web traffic. I personally use Internet Explorer; not because I have problems with other browsers, but because i've used it from the start and am very used to it. I agree things sometimes look a little different, but as someone who tends to browse more than code at the moment all the websites I ever visit display fine. Also for some reason IE8 seems more responsive than FireFox, less clunky, and opens itself faster on the first load.

**Recursion** · 22-06-2010, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by HotelUser

Futuristically I think there's going to be more pressure on Microsoft to bring raise Explorer's standards as to be more acceptable.

as with IE9 you mean... as I was pointing you to earlier in the thread... :rolleyes:

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