Raoul Moat Tribute Group?

[alexxxxx]

Paying tribute to somebody or making a good point of somebody bad is not giving them martyr status. A lot of people would argue that the actions of Tony Blair consitute murder and that he himself led to the deaths of many innocent Iraqis. The same goes for Karl Marx whose idealogy has killed and spawned more nutcases than the world has ever seen before (Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Josef Stalin, Vladimir Lenin and so on). Where and how do you draw the line?

The answer is, you cannot.

In your world and along your lines, an extremist here can call for the end of the western world and stir up racial and religious hatred whilst calling for free speech to be banned, yet people cannot join a Facebook group calling Raoul Mote a legend.

How does that work out?

i dunno. im mixed up this evening with my views on this tbh as ive shown earlier.

i think there should be care in making sure that making martyrs of assured killed is at least discouraged.

[Hitman]

they aren't ALL the same are they. i only care about taking action against those who DO call for violence or actively make people who are killers martyrs towards their causes. people saying 'Islam will take over europe' or 'sharia law for the uk' or even 'soldiers are not heroes' - that's OK. there's no issue there. i don't care about those views. however a preacher saying 'rise up and kill the queen,' 'we shall rip the heads of those who do not convert' and 'if british blood is spilt in our cause, so be it,' - that's something completely different, it's calling for violence and it is a direct threat.

Haha OK, whatever. If you believe that the extremists are peaceful then you believe that, good luck to you. It just makes me laugh... well, feel sad actually. You think it's alright to have extremists all over the place, but it's not ok for a facebook page to brand a killer a legend... bah. I give up with you.

[alexxxxx]

Haha OK, whatever. If you believe that the extremists are peaceful then you believe that, good luck to you. It just makes me laugh... well, feel sad actually. You think it's alright to have extremists all over the place, but it's not ok for a facebook page to brand a killer a legend... bah. I give up with you.

well yeah that's why im cut up. i feel that you should be able to say whatever you want as long as it isnt directly threatening or making someone a martyr. but it's hard to come up with a definition for who is a murderer and what is threatening. so really it's very hard to do anything about either.

[Camy]

they aren't ALL the same are they. i only care about taking action against those who DO call for violence or actively make people who are killers martyrs towards their causes. people saying 'Islam will take over europe' or 'sharia law for the uk' or even 'soldiers are not heroes' - that's OK. there's no issue there. i don't care about those views. however a preacher saying 'rise up and kill the queen,' 'we shall rip the heads of those who do not convert' and 'if british blood is spilt in our cause, so be it,' - that's something completely different, it's calling for violence and it is a direct threat.

the term 'Muslim extremists' is referring to the individuals who are trying to cause violence and incite hatred, so they are all the same. they wouldn't be classed as 'extremists' if they didn't have extreme views, and were willing to go to extreme measures to get them across.

OT: I really don't get why you want to join that facebook group. I've seen it on my news feed, only idiots on my friends list have joined it, so yeah..

[alexxxxx]

the term 'Muslim extremists' is referring to the individuals who are trying to cause violence and incite hatred, so they are all the same. they wouldn't be classed as 'extremists' if they didn't have extreme views, and were willing to go to extreme measures to get them across.

OT: I really don't get why you want to join that facebook group. I've seen it on my news feed, only idiots on my friends list have joined it, so yeah..

what counts as an extreme view? having an extreme political view does not mean that you are even violent or even want violence.

[j0rd]

I think its sick people can think hes a 'legend'
The group should defenetly be taken down.

[GommeInc]

Pfft, worse things on Facebook :/ Not like it's doing any major damage. Just some strange people "tributing" a deranged man.

Tributing being marked like that as some are obviously doing it for jokes, like the dead baby jokes etc etc.

[Tintinnabulate]

You also have to remember, Facebook isn't UK based.

[Eckuii]

Hiding in other people's s**t for 5 days isn't legendary to me tbh. Neither is saying your going to target the police, then when you have about 20 surrounding you and the perfect opportunity to do what he said he always would, he didn't but decided to shoot himself instead. What a hero that guy is lol.

MOST of the people on that facebook group are probably on benefits and have something against the police. Everybody is against the police until they become a victim of crime, and then they can't like them enough. I think we should remember that he shot an unarmed policeman in the face, blinding him so that he can never see his own kids ever again. What kind of person actually does that? That is no legend to me. To brutally abuse his past girlfriends as so many have come out to say, as well as embarassing children in the way he did, what kind of legend is that? Anybody that thinks Moat is a legend, totally agrees with these points in my opinion.

Lets face it, if there is a heavan and whatever, this guy isn't resting in peace. I hope hes shining the shoes of every copper that has ever died. Peice of scum.

[Hitman]

Hiding in other people's s**t for 5 days isn't legendary to me tbh. Neither is saying your going to target the police, then when you have about 20 surrounding you and the perfect opportunity to do what he said he always would, he didn't but decided to shoot himself instead. What a hero that guy is lol.

MOST of the people on that facebook group are probably on benefits and have something against the police. Everybody is against the police until they become a victim of crime, and then they can't like them enough. I think we should remember that he shot an unarmed policeman in the face, blinding him so that he can never see his own kids ever again. What kind of person actually does that? That is no legend to me. To brutally abuse his past girlfriends as so many have come out to say, as well as embarassing children in the way he did, what kind of legend is that? Anybody that thinks Moat is a legend, totally agrees with these points in my opinion.

Lets face it, if there is a heavan and whatever, this guy isn't resting in peace. I hope hes shining the shoes of every copper that has ever died. Peice of scum.

... wow, another person who I thought I'd never agree with, proved me wrong. Totally agree. The people that hate the police run to them as soon as there's trouble... it pisses me off when they're like "*** tha p0lice" - only Tupac can say that.