Do you think it's right for teachers to shout at pupils

[Frodo13.]

I think education moved forward rather than backwards when the cane and any object to hit pupils with, was banned.

i would still argue that if students were hit by the cane, that will just get them more furious? and what if they have learning disiabilites? hitting them with something such as a cane will not prevent them from doing anything, it will just cause and outrage.

Obviously, kids with learning difficulties would have to be punished and taught in different ways. I actually think that corporal punishment should not only be used in school, but also in the judicial system aswell. As I mentioned earlier on in the thread, growing up, my Dad would whip me with his belt when I did something wrong; I now have 10 GCSE's, 5 A Levels and I am studying for a degree. Can't of done me that much harm...

[Matthew]

as long as the shouting is within reason, then yes.

unfortunately theres some people who dont do as theyre told unless theyre screamed at, but if the pupils are young then i dont think they should be shouted at, at least until theyve learnt whats right and wrong

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think education moved forward rather than backwards when the cane and any object to hit pupils with, was banned.

i would still argue that if students were hit by the cane, that will just get them more furious? and what if they have learning disiabilites? hitting them with something such as a cane will not prevent them from doing anything, it will just cause and outrage.

The phrase 'lets move forwards rather than backwards' is a nonsense phrase, it means nothing; a PC term. If moving forward means allowing kids to run rampant around the classroom, allowing kids to be in control rather than the teachers thus leading to lower schooling standards then I doubt most would want to move 'forward'.

The part on learning disabilities - if that means kids who are genuinely disabled (and not just naughty kids who nowadays sadly get grouped together with those who are genuinely unable to control their behaviour) then of course they would not be disciplined in that way as they are not responsible for their actions. Personally my opinon on education follows the Peter Hitchens line in which education should be reformed with the return of grammar schools and special schools and with discipline being instilled back into the schooling system (and the justice system for that matter). The Fabianism of the education system that has crept in since the war has devalued education greatly.

[alexxxxx]

Obviously, kids with learning difficulties would have to be punished and taught in different ways. I actually think that corporal punishment should not only be used in school, but also in the judicial system aswell. As I mentioned earlier on in the thread, growing up, my Dad would whip me with his belt when I did something wrong; I now have 10 GCSE's, 5 A Levels and I am studying for a degree. Can't of done me that much harm...

and my parents didn't have to physically hit me for me to behave and i have 11 GCSEs, 5 A Levels and going to uni. =/

[MzKx]

yeah i do think its right.. if theres some annoying kid jus going on and on they need to be shouted at

[Frodo13.]

and my parents didn't have to physically hit me for me to behave and i have 11 GCSEs, 5 A Levels and going to uni. =/

Well good for you and good for you parents, seriously. I personally was beggining to go off the rails. I finished primary school all with good grades, got 444 in my SATs (which were sort of the norm to get) and went into secondary school into top set classes. I finished year 9 with only 555 in my SATS (way below average). I needed to be whipped with that belt in order for me to get it into my head that what I was doing wasn't good. Some kids probably don't need corporal punishment...I did.

[Ardemax]

The phrase 'lets move forwards rather than backwards' is a nonsense phrase, it means nothing; a PC term. If moving forward means allowing kids to run rampant around the classroom, allowing kids to be in control rather than the teachers thus leading to lower schooling standards then I doubt most would want to move 'forward'.

The part on learning disabilities - if that means kids who are genuinely disabled (and not just naughty kids who nowadays sadly get grouped together with those who are genuinely unable to control their behaviour) then of course they would not be disciplined in that way as they are not responsible for their actions. Personally my opinon on education follows the Peter Hitchens line in which education should be reformed with the return of grammar schools and special schools and with discipline being instilled back into the schooling system (and the justice system for that matter). The Fabianism of the education system that has crept in since the war has devalued education greatly.

You know I go to one of the roughest schools in the city (I don't deserve a medal) and tbh the behaviour is absolutely appauling and I can guarantee half of my year won't get into college or uni. Punishing them with a cane will do absoultely NOTHING, and i mean nothing. You can say it will teach them a lesson and whatever, but really it won't. You've gotta look at alternatives than hitting pupils...

[dbgtz]

Yes it will? It will mean alot of them would be too scared to mess about and will get on. Ok scaring people to work isnt the best but its the only way and in the end it'll make them a better person.

[immense]

Of course teachers should shout as and when they need to. Teachers have their different disciplinary methods and from my experiences the ones who have used other methods to calm the class down or discipline a disruptive child have been more successful. When people shout at me, I switch them off, it's pointless. When they get me to understand I have done wrong or need to alter my behaviour then results are more productive. I was hardly a huge trouble maker at school though, just chatty.

[Frodo13.]

You know I go to one of the roughest schools in the city (I don't deserve a medal) and tbh the behaviour is absolutely appauling and I can guarantee half of my year won't get into college or uni. Punishing them with a cane will do absoultely NOTHING, and i mean nothing. You can say it will teach them a lesson and whatever, but really it won't. You've gotta look at alternatives than hitting pupils...

How do you know it won't work, because obviously the other methods your school is using are clearly not working.