BNP 'turning into Ukip'

[Conservative,]

End the "active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism" by local and national government.
-In agreement, 'multiculturalism' only serves to divide peope.

Force all public employees to carry out their duties with their faces uncovered
-Yeah, I couldn't wear a hood if I worked in council offices - why should burkas be any different?

Require people to have uncovered faces in all public buildings and "certain private buildings"
-Totally agree, private buildings would be down to those businesses as they are not state owned.


Ban the burka, "non-stunned ritual slaughter" of animals and the building of further mosques.
-Not agreed, state should not be involved.

Pretty much the same thing?


Bar foreigners who have not paid into the system" from access to benefits, social housing, state education and pensions
-Not agreed, would introduce a system though for *everyone* where you have to pay in for a period of 10 years.

"no home no visa" work permits for immigrants
-Indeed, closes loopholes where people can bring family over.

Same thing?

[Nemo]

End the "active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism" by local and national government.
-In agreement, 'multiculturalism' only serves to divide peope.

Force all public employees to carry out their duties with their faces uncovered
-Yeah, I couldn't wear a hood if I worked in council offices - why should burkas be any different?

Require people to have uncovered faces in all public buildings and "certain private buildings"
-Totally agree, private buildings would be down to those businesses as they are not state owned.


Ban the burka, "non-stunned ritual slaughter" of animals and the building of further mosques.
-Not agreed, state should not be involved.

Pretty much the same thing?


Bar foreigners who have not paid into the system" from access to benefits, social housing, state education and pensions
-Not agreed, would introduce a system though for *everyone* where you have to pay in for a period of 10 years.

"no home no visa" work permits for immigrants
-Indeed, closes loopholes where people can bring family over.

Same thing?

Im confused by your post, are the
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what you're saying?

[-:Undertaker:-]

End the "active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism" by local and national government.
-In agreement, 'multiculturalism' only serves to divide peope.

Force all public employees to carry out their duties with their faces uncovered
-Yeah, I couldn't wear a hood if I worked in council offices - why should burkas be any different?

Require people to have uncovered faces in all public buildings and "certain private buildings"
-Totally agree, private buildings would be down to those businesses as they are not state owned.


Ban the burka, "non-stunned ritual slaughter" of animals and the building of further mosques.
-Not agreed, state should not be involved.

Pretty much the same thing?


Bar foreigners who have not paid into the system" from access to benefits, social housing, state education and pensions
-Not agreed, would introduce a system though for *everyone* where you have to pay in for a period of 10 years.

"no home no visa" work permits for immigrants
-Indeed, closes loopholes where people can bring family over.

Same thing?

Well some things are the same, like the agreement that we shouldn't have illegal immigrants here who can access the welfare system and actually if you look at the video I posted, the three main parties often also say things along these lines just they don't commit themselves to a policy such as "we will stop illegal immigrants accessing the welfare system" but they will usually say things like "of course we need a managed immigration system which isn't open to abuse" - well that is simply beating around the bush.

Do you have a problem yourself with any of the UKIP policies in immigration? if not, then I cannot see what the problem is especially considering in the video I posted Nigel Farage absolutely trounced the other three parties on the subject of immigration. The difference between UKIP and the BNP is race, and the fact that the BNP believes in basically nobody from outside this country coming in to this country to work. UKIP wants control over immigration and an immigratiom system based on merit - it doesn't matter whether your black, green, white or purple but there should be some control over immigration rather than none.

The burka issue, I told you the differences. The UKIP policy is simple, it would be down to the owner of a shop. However if you work for the council for example or as a teacher, you would not be allowed to wear the burka just as you wouldn't be allowed to wear a hood or a balaclava while working.

Again I ask, do you disagree? if not, then whats the problem.

[Conservative,]

Well some things are the same, like the agreement that we shouldn't have illegal immigrants here who can access the welfare system and actually if you look at the video I posted, the three main parties often also say things along these lines just they don't commit themselves to a policy such as "we will stop illegal immigrants accessing the welfare system" but they will usually say things like "of course we need a managed immigration system which isn't open to abuse" - well that is simply beating around the bush.

Do you have a problem yourself with any of the UKIP policies in immigration? if not, then I cannot see what the problem is especially considering in the video I posted Nigel Farage absolutely trounced the other three parties on the subject of immigration. The difference between UKIP and the BNP is race, and the fact that the BNP believes in basically nobody from outside this country coming in to this country to work - UKIP wants that, but we want control over immigration.

The burka issue, I told you the differences. The UKIP policy is simple, it would be down to the owner of a shop. However if you work for the council for example or as a teacher, you would not be allowed to wear the burka just as you wouldn't be allowed to wear a hood or a balaclava while working.

Again I ask, do you disagree? if not, then whats the problem.

I did not say there was a problem and I did not say they are the same, I said they are similar I agree with most of your points but it's a free country, anyone can wear what they want to work, saying they can't is taking away their right to self expression.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I did not say there was a problem and I did not say they are the same, I said they are similar I agree with most of your points but it's a free country, anyone can wear what they want to work, saying they can't is taking away their right to self expression.

I agree but I think rules should be applied equally.

[Swastika]

I did not say there was a problem and I did not say they are the same, I said they are similar I agree with most of your points but it's a free country, anyone can wear what they want to work, saying they can't is taking away their right to self expression.

Well that's completely false.
I can't wear a balaclava to work yet a Muslim can wear a burqa? That to me, does not sound like a free country.

[Catzsy]

Well that's completely false.
I can't wear a balaclava to work yet a Muslim can wear a burqa? That to me, does not sound like a free country.

You are banned from wearing a balaclava?

[Nemo]

Well that's completely false.
I can't wear a balaclava to work yet a Muslim can wear a burqa? That to me, does not sound like a free country.

itsnot about being a free country, its about having respect. Balaclava's are often seen as threatening, whilst to most educated people, burqas aren't. People are allowed to wear them because of their religion, there is no need for people to wear balaclavas.

[Swastika]

You are banned from wearing a balaclava?

Yes, in a work place - whereas Burqas are not.

itsnot about being a free country, its about having respect. Balaclava's are often seen as threatening, whilst to most educated people, burqas aren't. People are allowed to wear them because of their religion, there is no need for people to wear balaclavas.

My post was a retaliation to somebody else's posts, they said it was a free country - which it's not.
Burqas aren't threatening to me but i don't think people should be getting fired from work for refusing to serve people wearing them.
There are genuine reasons why somebody would wear a balaclava, as there are genuine reasons why somebody would wear a Burqa, you can't just say muslims have right to wear Burqas but i don't have a right to wear my balaclava.

[Nemo]

Yes, in a work place - whereas Burqas are not.


My post was a retaliation to somebody else's posts, they said it was a free country - which it's not.
Burqas aren't threatening to me but i don't think people should be getting fired from work for refusing to serve people wearing them.
There are genuine reasons why somebody would wear a balaclava, as there are genuine reasons why somebody would wear a Burqa, you can't just say muslims have right to wear Burqas but i don't have a right to wear my balaclava.

Religion is a valid reason in today's society (hopefully not in the future, but thats another topic :p) to wear a certain item where others would not be able to. What valid reasons are there that someone would NEED to wear a balaclava to work?