Labour's missing £1bn in foreign aid

[AgnesIO]

Why lol

I know many countries in Africa that are not all 'backward', it isn't their fault other countries took advantage of them?

[Jordy]

I know many countries in Africa that are not all 'backward', it isn't their fault other countries took advantage of them?

Most are backwards, like it or not. The exceptions are South Africa and the Arabic one's in the north, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt etc. The rest are mostly dependant on foreign aid, have high unemployment rates, large amounts of the population with AIDs, no basic infrastructure, a corrupt or military government, low life expectancies, poor human rights etc. I could go on but I sense you get what I mean, to me that is backwards.

Only on HabboxForum would we have someone advocating parts of the Nazi party manifesto, what a joke Current Affairs has become.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I know many countries in Africa that are not all 'backward', it isn't their fault other countries took advantage of them?

Why is it the fault of Great Britain and other European nations (who built roads, schools, hospitals, railways, grand buildings, legal systems, electric lines etc) that Africa cannot run itself, when Europeans left Africa nearly 50 years ago now and since leaving Africa has faced decline under self-rule?

Please explain how it is the fault of Great Britain and Co that Africa has gone from a prosperous continent to a general hell hole?

I don't quite see the point(?) you are trying to make.

[AgnesIO]

Why is it the fault of Great Britain and other European nations (who built roads, schools, hospitals, railways, grand buildings, legal systems, electric lines etc) that Africa cannot run itself, when Europeans left Africa nearly 50 years ago now and since leaving Africa has faced decline under self-rule?

Please explain how it is the fault of Great Britain and Co that Africa has gone from a prosperous continent to a general hell hole?

I don't quite see the point(?) you are trying to make.

Great Britain helped Africa in a lot of ways and in many other ways did not.

50 years is not a long time - people seem to forget that it is bloody difficult to suddenly become as rich as Britain is from having nothing. How do you suggest African countries stop relying on foreign aid when they have nothing? Few people make masses of money off nothing - and 50 years for an entire country to stop being in huge poverty is nothing.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Great Britain helped Africa in a lot of ways and in many other ways did not.

50 years is not a long time - people seem to forget that it is bloody difficult to suddenly become as rich as Britain is from having nothing. How do you suggest African countries stop relying on foreign aid when they have nothing? Few people make masses of money off nothing - and 50 years for an entire country to stop being in huge poverty is nothing.

Africa has huge reserves of oil, diamonds and minerals (not to mention the hundreds of billions it has recieved from the west) - hence why China is so interested in Africa at the moment and is buying from Africa. If African nations were able to sort themselves out politically and use that money to develop some sort of economic policy then they could very well experience the same kind of growth that China and India have done so in the past two decades. Look at Rhodesia for example, it was flourishing under British management and now look at it as modern-day Zimbabwe.

But again it comes down to poor management, the likes of Mugabe and their corrupt governments simply pocket it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Atleast with Dan's stance with the North American Native genocide it's due to his lack of knowledge on the subject which is understandable because it's not a history he'd touch upon on where he is.

Actually in the last reply you climbed down, and as I rightly sussed out - you've been taught all the negatives with your education system with no positives given of which there are many, not to mention the fact i've read about the subject and which you did not reply to my finding that British ships actually pirated other European ships carrying slaves after Britain had abolished it. I have given the various positives, to which all you can come back with is 'genocide' when infact disease is not classed as genocide as the disease was for the vast part accidental - yet I haven't had a reply to this, but I do look forward to a reply to my last post.

I may not have covered the settlement of North America in school history, but nor have I covered the EU, modern politics, imperialism, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Holy Roman Empire and so on - the difference between us I guess, is that i've actually read around and read differing sources rather than listening to everything my teacher/school of thought tells me. I learn far more on my own back than I learn in school.

Would appreciate a reply to my last reply on North America and the 'genocide' of the red Indians.

[HotelUser]

Actually in the last reply you climbed down, and as I rightly sussed out - you've been taught all the negatives with your education system with no positives given of which there are many, not to mention the fact i've read about the subject and which you did not reply to my finding that British ships actually pirated other European ships carrying slaves after Britain had abolished it. I have given the various positives, to which all you can come back with is 'genocide' when infact disease is not classed as genocide as the disease was for the vast part accidental - yet I haven't had a reply to this, but I do look forward to a reply to my last post.

I may not have covered the settlement of North America in school history, but nor have I covered the EU, modern politics, imperialism, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Holy Roman Empire and so on - the difference between us I guess, is that i've actually read around and read differing sources rather than listening to everything my teacher/school of thought tells me. I learn far more on my own back than I learn in school.

Would appreciate a reply to my last reply on North America and the 'genocide' of the red Indians.

I'll accept that we're at an impasse due to geographics but that's about it Dan. I think it very much so happened but like any culture you don't learn much about the self committed genocides and tend to touch on negative aspects of your own history too much

[AgnesIO]

Africa has huge reserves of oil, diamonds and minerals (not to mention the hundreds of billions it has recieved from the west) - hence why China is so interested in Africa at the moment and is buying from Africa. If African nations were able to sort themselves out politically and use that money to develop some sort of economic policy then they could very well experience the same kind of growth that China and India have done so in the past two decades. Look at Rhodesia for example, it was flourishing under British management and now look at it as modern-day Zimbabwe.

But again it comes down to poor management, the likes of Mugabe and their corrupt governments simply pocket it.

Mugabe is an evil, evil man but it isn't all about him.

You seem to forget that many African's work for really long hours, mining the precious minerals you mention - but they get paid pence for their work.

[Eoin247]

Most African countries are backwards hellholes. Obviously by reclaiming them it would be for the greater good, not slavery or whatever. Or does imperialism in the name of morality now only apply when the country is abundant with oil?

Refer to my first post on this thread when i quoted you.


What many of you are forgetting here is that the western world still screws Africa, although they tend do it in increasingly sneaky ways.

[GommeInc]

Governments giving to third world/African countries is incredibly dodgy (this is related to the posts on page 2). The money goes directly to the head of the country, so it is entirely up to them where the money goes in most cases, money easily goes missing afterall

That said, not all foreign aid goes missing or is spent on the wrong things, but some of the countries do not need as much (if any) now, some have developed decent enough economic structures and could begin exporting good, rather than relying on imports/aid.