Why you shouldn't support godaddy

[redtom]

I don't think people get it though.. I don't care if an african farmer kills an elephant for doing whatever to his crops etc but when some guy goes there to kill them because they are good sport and then uses them being pests and starving villagers as an excuse doesn't really make sense.. Do the people really need his help? Doubt it

True he is doing it for fun more than anything but if he's going to do it surely it's better to do that sort of thing in a way that benefits instead of just going out and hunting elephants for no purpose.

@GommeInc

By pests I mean an animal that is an annoyance to livestock or crops, so in this case elephants do fall into that category. Your taking a very stereotypical western view of this, that the people over there must have something wrong with them for harming the poor elephants, where instead the elephants ruin crops for farmers and provide a great food source. The point I'm trying to make is that animals such as Cow are seen as food here but elephants are not, where as there elephants are seen as food because ultimately that is what they are. If elephants were wild in the UK we would see no problem in killing and eating them but obviously we would make them naturally extinct and breed them only for this. Where clearly in that video they do not, they just wait for the elephants to enter there farm and then deal with them, any dead elephants then serve as food. So ask yourself this how is it that your perfectly fine with the way we treat animals in the UK, where as they let them live freely over there.

In response to your point about not eating pests why don't we? There's nothing wrong with it, most probably taste very nice too. We simply don't because over time we've become to think of ourselfs as too good for that when in actual fact the majority of people on the planet do eat animals to be considers pests, ranging from Rats to Elephants. To top it off we only stopped eating animals like this fairly recently.

You do not need guns to take an elephant down, afterall.

How would you suggest doing it baring in mind you want it to happen quickly, cheaply and extremely easily.

[GommeInc]

@GommeInc

By pests I mean an animal that is an annoyance to livestock or crops, so in this case elephants do fall into that category. Your taking a very stereotypical western view of this, that the people over there must have something wrong with them for harming the poor elephants, where instead the elephants ruin crops for farmers and provide a great food source. The point I'm trying to make is that animals such as Cow are seen as food here but elephants are not, where as there elephants are seen as food because ultimately that is what they are. If elephants were wild in the UK we would see no problem in killing and eating them but obviously we would make them naturally extinct and breed them only for this. Where clearly in that video they do not, they just wait for the elephants to enter there farm and then deal with them, any dead elephants then serve as food. So ask yourself this how is it that your perfectly fine with the way we treat animals in the UK, where as they let them live freely over there.

I never questioned any of the bits mentioned in your post, particularly the bits in bold. So I'm not sure where your argument comes from to be honest :/

In response to your point about not eating pests why don't we? There's nothing wrong with it, most probably taste very nice too. We simply don't because over time we've become to think of ourselfs as too good for that when in actual fact the majority of people on the planet do eat animals to be considers pests, ranging from Rats to Elephants. To top it off we only stopped eating animals like this fairly recently.

You do know that pests like rats and foxes are riddled with disease in the UK? Many of the famous plagues were helped along by these animals, particularly rats Foxes usually have some sort of skin disease and eat the vilest of things like road kill, and sometimes poisons laid out by farmers. Other pests like rabbits are already eaten in the UK. I wouldn't recommend picking up a rat on the street and eating it (after cooking or not). The only time you can eat rats are literally wild, rural rats and that's assuming they're away from sewer systems and stagnant water - perhaps it's a problem with Western civilisation and the way they deal with waste?

How would you suggest doing it baring in mind you want it to happen quickly, cheaply and extremely easily.

When did I say I wanted them to kill elephants, with extreme detail in doing it fast? :S You seem to be putting words into an argument that doesn't exist :S

[redtom]

I never questioned any of the bits mentioned in your post, particularly the bits in bold. So I'm not sure where your argument comes from to be honest :/

Chances are if its not relevant I either read a different post thinking it was from you, or misinterpreted what you said.

You do know that pests like rats and foxes are riddled with disease in the UK? Many of the famous plagues were helped along by these animals, particularly rats Foxes usually have some sort of skin disease and eat the vilest of things like road kill, and sometimes poisons laid out by farmers. Other pests like rabbits are already eaten in the UK. I wouldn't recommend picking up a rat on the street and eating it (after cooking or not). The only time you can eat rats are literally wild, rural rats and that's assuming they're away from sewer systems and stagnant water - perhaps it's a problem with Western civilisation and the way they deal with waste?

True certain ones carry diseases but only a few would case their meat to cause a danger to people once properly cooked, I'm not saying we should eat rats, and I probably wouldn't want to eat them either. The point is that elephants are pests there, you can't deny that. Obviously their very different to rats here. On a side note rats which live much worse conditions than the sewer system here are eaten allot in Africa as there free and everywhere. Also you have to consider these people are very undeveloped compared to us, no so long ago we would have done the same.

Rabbits are hunted because they taste good, not because their pests.

When did I say I wanted them to kill elephants, with extreme detail in doing it fast? :S You seem to be putting words into an argument that doesn't exist :S

Think about the topic of the debate... think about the video we're talking about... think about what I quoted...

The farmers wants to get rid of the elephants quickly, cheaply and easily.

I asked it as if you were in the farmers shoes.

so again...

How would you suggest doing it baring in mind you want it to happen quickly, cheaply and extremely easily.

or if you like how would you suggest stopping the problem of elephants without killing them.

[AgnesIO]

Chances are if its not relevant I either read a different post thinking it was from you, or misinterpreted what you said.



True certain ones carry diseases but only a few would case their meat to cause a danger to people once properly cooked, I'm not saying we should eat rats, and I probably wouldn't want to eat them either. The point is that elephants are pests there, you can't deny that. Obviously their very different to rats here. On a side note rats which live much worse conditions than the sewer system here are eaten allot in Africa as there free and everywhere. Also you have to consider these people are very undeveloped compared to us, no so long ago we would have done the same.

Rabbits are hunted because they taste good, not because their pests.



Think about the topic of the debate... think about the video we're talking about... think about what I quoted...

The farmers wants to get rid of the elephants quickly, cheaply and easily.

I asked it as if you were in the farmers shoes.

so again...



or if you like how would you suggest stopping the problem of elephants without killing them.

If the locals kill them, you know what? We should keep our noses out.

What I am against, is Western people killing them for sport - and then trying to pull the wool over our eyes and suggest it was for the locals..

[GommeInc]

Chances are if its not relevant I either read a different post thinking it was from you, or misinterpreted what you said.

I did wonder why you said it, when I've been saying how stupid it is for the GoDaddy owner to do it and the farmers are free to do what they want The GoDaddy owner operates within Western Society who are against such actions so he has shot himself in the foot. Suggesting the farmers are evil is silly, when they are at liberty to do what they want. So I agree with you

Rabbits are hunted because they taste good, not because their pests.

They're pests where I am from They're eaten as a bonus of being shot for being pests, than the other way around. Rabbit isn't a widely consumed meat either, ther than in the farming and "country" communities. Only time I've seen rabbit is in Waitrose and at farm/country shows where they're usually found in game pie

Think about the topic of the debate... think about the video we're talking about... think about what I quoted...

The farmers wants to get rid of the elephants quickly, cheaply and easily.

I asked it as if you were in the farmers shoes.

so again...



or if you like how would you suggest stopping the problem of elephants without killing them.

Hard to say as I am not a farmer in Africa and elephants are different to the usual pests you find. In Africa they're at liberty to do what they want to protect their crops. That said, on a political scale you would think a country that was once fruitful would help the farming community in protecting itself against elephants. Shooting them is fine, but I'd prefer a sustainable way of doing it by either breeding them, or erecting something that could scare them off or keep them away.

We're sidetracking from the original topic anyway, seeing as it's meant to be about the GoDaddy owner, than the farmers who are a sub-topic The GoDaddy owner is a bit of a pillock for making a sport out of killing elephants, and proclaiming he's helping the farmers. He should of left the elephant be and let the farmers deal with the problem, which I assume they have the tools to do so. By intervening, he's not supporting them other than giving them the meat from the kill. If he was to support them, he would do something more sustainable. It's like giving a starving African child a bread roll for Comic Relief - it isn't going to solve the problem for any longer than 5 minutes

[Moh]

So, I'm a millionaire and I want to help some starving people.. I know, I won't get anything imported for them, I'll fly there and kill an elephant for them.