Justice?

[Catzsy]

A woman should not have the choice to kill her own child as means of her own convenience. I am the biggest defender on this forum in defence of civil liberties, but nobody has the right to take away a life without a trial before the courts, of which the taking of an innocent life of an unborn would be rejected. Because it cannot defend itself does not mean we can dispose of it.

It is not a child, it is an embryo or a fetus, Dan and woman have every right to do what they like with their bodies. It is their choice. You views on sex seem very niave to me. Also the morning after pill can be taken up to five days after intercourse so there is no way of knowing whether conception has happened or not.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I totally think abortion should be the mothers choice, as I am never sure about a fetus being human or not, having said that I do think it should be hugely restricted. For example, if someone has been raped I totally think it should be their decision if they want an abortion or not - simply because as a human, I know I wouldn't be able to live if my kid turned out to look like the rapist - I would personally struggle to look after a child who looks like someone who had ruined me as a person.

The child should be put up for adoption if this is the case, as terrible as rape is the last option was the morning-after-pill which was not taken. The child should be sentenced to death for the actions of others.

One of my friends was born due to a split condom, and I know for a fact is mother does not particularly want him (telling him aged ten; "you were a mistake" and stuff like that.

So does your friend not feel his life has been worth living? but I think on that point you've raised you have also just raised another part of the issue - the fact that we are now so lax about sex and that we do it everywhere, all of the time results in families like the one you've just described. Those who are not ready for motherhood are thrust into it because of their own mistake and why? because there's no sense of what is right and what is wrong anymore.

It is not a child, it is an embryo or a fetus, Dan and woman have every right to do what they like with their bodies. It is their choice.

We've already discussed this point, a fetus is simply latin for the unborn - it is a human being. If you take a DNA swab of it, it will show as a homo sapiens just like us and it is fertilised. To simply dismiss it as 'not human' is what most regimes do when they wish to dispose of people... we're all aware of that. As for the choice element, again i'm the biggest defender here of civil liberties - but the buck stops when you harm another individual or decide to end its life. A mother has the option to do whatever she wishes with her body, but not that of a child just as you cannot harm a child when it is born.

When you dismiss something as 'not human' when it clearly is human, its dehumanising it in order to kill it.

You views on sex seem very niave to me. Also the morning after pill can be taken up to five days after intercourse so there is no way of knowing whether conception has happened or not.

Its naive to think people should take responsibility for their actions? my views on sex are actually quite sensible, infact if they were taken up as they previously were (rather than useless sex education of which has resulted only more abortions, more pregnancies and more disease) we'd have less of what I just listed. We are truly a sick nation; we talk about sex all the time, we go out looking for it, it forms the basis of almost everything in our society - have we 'progressed' or gone backwards? the answer is quite clear.

As for the morning after pill, then that should be the limit. Those who fall pregnant in the first place, apart from rape, should have to carry the burden of their actions - not simply kill for their own selfish convenience.

[peteyt]

The problem to me is some of the prison guards can be as bad. They decide they don't like what prisoners have done so they bat a blind eye when he gets what's coming to them, in their opinion, by other cell mates - and it works to their advantage, because they never have to lift a finger.

While the person killed was very vile, and sounds like he's from my area, at least went to the court of my city, he was doing his time and like all other prisoners, each should be protected. I gather space is the problem however.

[Ardemax]

This is not a saw movie and the two men should be ashamed.

Yes he is a sick man who fiddled with kids, like people have said, a few "beat-ups" is alright every so often....

... this however, is not.