Compulsory "Post What You're Listening to" winge thread

[Catzsy]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650794

Alot things that aren't "officially allowed" are allowed by general practise in spam, or at least are subject to a huge amount of mod discretion and some mods seem to be confused on what's allowed and what's not in spam. I've seen mods browsing (and even posting in) spam threads and nothing is done to a "rule breaking post" , yet when a different mod browses it a few hours later it could get changed.

I'm not suggesting that the spam forum be made more restrictive. In fact i believe that if anything it should be made more lenient. I'm just pointing out what i have observed while i've been on these forums.

Well that is is not a great deal of rules. LOL It is not that the mods are confused it is just that friends are allowed to 'banter' in spam so what might sound rude in the rest of the forum in fact is not generally to the person being replied to who takes it and often gives it back with a sense of humour. On occasions though the person may sign in and might not be happy about it and report so then obviously it is dealt with which would account for what you are saying. Yes I agree that the amount of moderator discretion is the highest in spam and it does take a mod awhile to get accustomed to it.

[GommeInc]

They can employ rules to avoid that.

Bad idea, creating pointless rules that step-toe around a non-problem is always a bad idea. Over-regulation is constricting.

Keep it where it is. There doesn't appear to be an logical answer for or against it, so you may as well keep it where it is. Individuals suggesting it is moved into Spam or Forum Games are of the belief it doesn't have a point (when it does) while those in favour of keeping it where it is for the sake of post count make very little sense as it could survive without post count. Compromise and keep it where it is. It's about music, therefore it's common sense to keep a thread about what music you are listening to in a forum designed for discussions about music. Besides, a few people have said it's an interesting thread.

[FlyingJesus]

Individuals suggesting it is moved into Spam or Forum Games are of the belief it doesn't have a point (when it does)

That's not true, we're not saying it's pointless just that it isn't active discussion and has no reason to increase post counts

while those in favour of keeping it where it is for the sake of post count make very little sense as it could survive without post count. Compromise and keep it where it is.

That's not a compromise that's going with the second lot and changing nothing give it it's own little sub in music that links straight into the thread and set that to not have post counts enabled, THAT is a compromise.

[Chippiewill]

..and a very sensible one. I'd agree with that, isn't derailed by spam and if people don't post in there just for post boost then the thread will stay alive.

[GommeInc]

That's not true, we're not saying it's pointless just that it isn't active discussion and has no reason to increase post counts

Is that really a problem? It shows members actively listen to music and provides members viewing the thread some idea of what is popular on the forum (which some have stated). The "Post Your Desktop and Setup" threads in the Technology Discussion forum are just as guilty of this supposedly cardinal sin, except some with an interest reply to some of the posts (though mostly they do not). If anything, it should be to promote members discussing the music choice of others, which wouldn't go a miss, rather than eradicate the problem altogether by removing one possible type of discussion on this forum. Personally I think the opposite of your proposed idea - instead of remove the thread and the post count, promote active discussion in the thread instead to go along side the central point of the thread - to post what song you are listening to.

I think you're jumping the gun by suggesting it is removed from the forum it best suits, and there doesn't appear to be any harm in allowing the thread to add to the post count - the last few pages I've trawled through seem to be keeping in time with the thread, there are no members posting frantically any odd song they are listening to because they crave posts on this forum (which is news to me ) Besides, surely adding to the post count is useful? It shows that members are active in one aspect of the forum community, which is what a post count is there to do. Adding a sub-forum that redirects to the thread is going to do wonders with the forum tracking tools on here, especially when you will get another seemingly pointless sub-forum added to the top of the music forum and hogging space.

That's not a compromise that's going with the second lot and changing nothing give it it's own little sub in music that links straight into the thread and set that to not have post counts enabled, THAT is a compromise.

That would be a pointless sub-forum to have just one thread inside it And I forgot what word I needed, but went for compromise. It's whatever one which suggests the best outcome for a problem that cannot really be tackled due to the general census of no one caring is to keep it the same

..and a very sensible one. I'd agree with that, isn't derailed by spam and if people don't post in there just for post boost then the thread will stay alive.

Would it be wise to deminish another aspect of forum activity? There have been discussions early on about how members do not seem to be as active as they used to be. If people are interested in this thread then the best course of action is to leave it be. It may not promote active discussion, but it is one active area of the forum which is more important at the moment. If something has to change, have it so members actively discuss the songs they are listening to, which shouldn't be too hard. You could get moderators and staff who post in that forum to start a discussion by creating an unseen objective in the staff forums to spark discussion in this thread, and members should hopefully actively participate at their leisure soon after. If not, create another forum called "What are you listening to?" - which builds upon the sub-forum mention above - but allows post count and active discussion based on multiple threads, rather than posts in just one thread.

[FlyingJesus]

Is that really a problem? It shows members actively listen to music and provides members viewing the thread some idea of what is popular on the forum (which some have stated). The "Post Your Desktop and Setup" threads in the Technology Discussion forum are just as guilty of this supposedly cardinal sin, except some with an interest reply to some of the posts (though mostly they do not).

"Post your.." threads are also pointless and mostly belong in spam, where they do quite rightly tend to get thrown these days

If anything, it should be to promote members discussing the music choice of others, which wouldn't go a miss, rather than eradicate the problem altogether by removing one possible type of discussion on this forum. Personally I think the opposite of your proposed idea - instead of remove the thread and the post count, promote active discussion in the thread instead to go along side the central point of the thread - to post what song you are listening to.

That's what the rest of the music forum's for, otherwise you'd have multiple discussions going on in one thread and the entire section may as well then be one thread - something you go on to say is a bad thing

I think you're jumping the gun by suggesting it is removed from the forum it best suits

I'm not

surely adding to the post count is useful? It shows that members are active in one aspect of the forum community, which is what a post count is there to do.

That logic suggests that the most active area, spam, ought to also have post count enabled

That would be a pointless sub-forum to have just one thread inside it And I forgot what word I needed, but went for compromise. It's whatever one which suggests the best outcome for a problem that cannot really be tackled due to the general census of no one caring is to keep it the same

Is Chirs a general census? Pretty sure most people have been saying it ought to be not count, and the subforum could quite easily be a hidden one with just a link through. It would appear exactly the same as it does right now, just clicking the thread would redirect you to its new position. There is if I recall correctly a simple function to do this by leaving a sort of ghost thread in the original section, and you still see it as though it were there

Would it be wise to deminish another aspect of forum activity? There have been discussions early on about how members do not seem to be as active as they used to be. If people are interested in this thread then the best course of action is to leave it be.

If it's that popular then people will still post in it like with forum games, and with my suggestion it won't even be in a different location

It may not promote active discussion, but it is one active area of the forum which is more important at the moment. If something has to change, have it so members actively discuss the songs they are listening to, which shouldn't be too hard. You could get moderators and staff who post in that forum to start a discussion by creating an unseen objective in the staff forums to spark discussion in this thread, and members should hopefully actively participate at their leisure soon after. If not, create another forum called "What are you listening to?" - which builds upon the sub-forum mention above - but allows post count and active discussion based on multiple threads, rather than posts in just one thread.

Again, that's the point of the rest of the music section

[sophiethenerd]

All it is, is a thread where people post songs. Imo its not a constructive thread and it belongs in spam.

[GommeInc]

"Post your.." threads are also pointless and mostly belong in spam, where they do quite rightly tend to get thrown these days

I've not come across this? They shouldn't be though, because the whole point of categories and forums is to group together similar discussions in one place. Many of the big threads have stayed where they were created - Post... a picture of yourself, a picture of your setup, your desktop, your car etc etc

That's what the rest of the music forum's for, otherwise you'd have multiple discussions going on in one thread and the entire section may as well then be one thread - something you go on to say is a bad thing.

Where?

That logic suggests that the most active area, spam, ought to also have post count enabled

Depends on the thread. The Spam forum occasionally has interesting threads chucked in there for goodness knows what reason. Some people post there out of habit, possibly to attract the usual crowd. The last time the Spam forum was discussed I believe I stated that the Spam forum doesn't serve it's purpose as a forum for pointless posts, and that it became the new Discuss Anything forum

[quote=FlyingJesusIs Chirs a general census? Pretty sure most people have been saying it ought to be not count, and the subforum could quite easily be a hidden one with just a link through. It would appear exactly the same as it does right now, just clicking the thread would redirect you to its new position. There is if I recall correctly a simple function to do this by leaving a sort of ghost thread in the original section, and you still see it as though it were there[/quote]
Most appear to be the odd "if something has to change" or "I wouldn't mind" rather than definitive yes or no answers. There doesn't seem to be any real concerns.

If it's that popular then people will still post in it like with forum games, and with my suggestion it won't even be in a different location

By default you cannot disable posts counts in threads, it's only the forum with the ability (unless 4.1 added this feature?). Your suggestion of moving it to some unknown forum and leaving a ghost will give it a different location (people viewing/posting in the thread will see the forum name associated with it in Last Post etc.) Plus you have the task of creating the sub-forum or forum to place it in - Would spam want it? It's not a pointless thread afterall (as the Spam forum description suggests) and creating one sub-forum for one thread is incredibly wasteful and it's not a forum game. I'm not entirely sure if Ghost threads last, sometimes they disappear but I assume this can be altered.

Again, that's the point of the rest of the music section

Then you have the problem of members not creating threads to express what they are listening to. Not everyone posts threads, they tend to reply to them instead.

[Eoin247]

While we're on the topic of posts, congratz section should have post count i believe. It has more merit for post count than some other sections

[GommeInc]

While we're on the topic of posts, congratz section should have post count i believe. It has more merit for post count than some other sections

It doesn't have a post count? :S I guess it's just generic "Welcome !" messages, but to say that would mean that the "What are you listening to?" would have to have a disabled post count too.