dogs and muzzles

[Catchy]

I don't even know why anyone would want one of those vile ugly things anyway, eurg.

[Richie]

Humans have reason and understand the law and know they are committing a crime. Do dogs?

If we can teach dogs not to pee inside, sit, beg, roll over, then of course if trained correctly they know what's right and wrong.

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As Jake said, some owners can think their dog is fine and well trained and then it turns?
No I mean any animal that is running free and a danger. You are basically saying it should be allowed to kill someone before action is taken against it.. lol

I never said that, I said it should be up to the owner to decide whether they believe their dog needs a muzzle or not. Yes of course the odd dogs may turn around and bite someone even if they're friendly but similar things happen in our little 'perfect' world.

[Catchy]

If we can teach dogs not to pee inside, sit, beg, roll over, then of course if trained correctly they know what's right and wrong.

Sure you could but are all going to stick to it? No. It's a danger and the laws enforced to reduce that danger, like kirst said I don't know how you can think that's wrong.

[Red]

Do dogs have reason and the capability to understand the law that you are subject under? No they do not so why on earth should it apply to them! Not all dogs are able to be trained. Dogs can get jealous over babies and attack them? It's wrong to attack bite innocent people but their animal instincts take over.

[Richie]

Sure you could but are all going to stick to it? No. It's a danger and the laws enforced to reduce that danger, like kirst said I don't know how you can think that's wrong.

Would this scenario be fair? or are you going to play the 'we are humans' card

If knife crime with teens your age was a huge problem in your area so a new law was enforced, anyone of a certain age had to wear monitors.

Do dogs have reason and the capability to understand the law that you are subject under? No they do not so why on earth should it apply to them! Not all dogs are able to be trained. Dogs can get jealous over babies and attack them? It's wrong to attack bite innocent people but their animal instincts take over.

The only law a dog needs to understand is not to bite and when being trained as a pup they should be thought that anyway. All dogs are able to be trained, owners just give up and believe their dog is incapable of understanding them and their rules. Dogs will get jealous, it isn't only just because of a baby, you can train them not to be.

If we can train animals such as lions not to bite humans I don't think we would have a problem training a dog not to bite.

[Catchy]

Would this scenario be fair? or are you going to play the 'we are humans' card

If knife crime with teens your age was a huge problem in your area so a new law was enforced, anyone of a certain age had to wear monitors.




The only law a dog needs to understand is not to bite and when being trained as a pup they should be thought that anyway. All dogs are able to be trained, owners just give up and believe their dog is incapable of understanding them and their rules. Dogs will get jealous, it isn't only just because of a baby, you can train them not to be.

If we can train animals such as lions not to bite humans I don't think we would have a problem training a dog not to bite.

Yes Richie I am going to play the we are humans card because that scenario is absolutely ridiculous.

Seatbelts are the law Richie, saves lifes. It's like you saying "It should be up to us if we want to wear a seatbelt". No it's a LAW and they're in place for good reasons. I feel like this is going nowhere and we are repeating ourselves.

[Richie]

Yes Richie I am going to play the we are humans card because that scenario is absolutely ridiculous.

Seatbelts are the law Richie, saves lifes. It's like you saying "It should be up to us if we want to wear a seatbelt". No it's a LAW and they're in place for good reasons. I feel like this is going nowhere and we are repeating ourselves.

How is putting a seatbelt around you to protect YOUR LIFE and a muzzle that is stuck on your face with force to protect OTHERS similar? If someone was to strap a muzzle to my face the only thing it would do to me is make me vicious.

The seatbelt thing is a different topic altogether but just while we are on it I don't believe it's right for the law to tell me when I should protect myself. When I get into a car I put the seatbelt on me for my protection not because someone in a suit told me to.

[Red]

A dog can't understand that it isn't allowed to bite :S You clearly cannot fathom the fact, that no matter how well trained a dog is, they can have a change of temperment. My mums and her sisters dog was fine and friendly growing up, until me and my cousins were born and it got jealous and attacked my cousin. The law is in place because these type of dogs were causing serious injury and death to people? And yes I will play the human card because I value human life over a dogs and don't think the two are equal. Thankfully the government aren't stupid enough to put their faith in training all dogs not to bite. You might not care about 'the odd dogs' that 'may turn around and bite someone even if they're friendly.' But the majority care about peoples safety and feel a lot happier with the law in place.

[Catchy]

How is putting a seatbelt around you to protect YOUR LIFE and a muzzle that is stuck on your face with force to protect OTHERS similar? If someone was to strap a muzzle to my face the only thing it would do to me is make me vicious.

The seatbelt thing is a different topic altogether but just while we are on it I don't believe it's right for the law to tell me when I should protect myself. When I get into a car I put the seatbelt on me for my protection not because someone in a suit told me to.

Meaning the two laws are in place for a VERY good reason. To protect, do you not understand that? You're saying the odd dog may bite but the owner should have known it was a threat me and Kirst are saying sometimes that doesn't matter they can change. I'd like to hear you tell your argument to one of the poor victims families, I'm sure they wouldn't be roaring for this law to be abolished.

[Richie]

A dog can't understand that it isn't allowed to bite :S You clearly cannot fathom the fact, that no matter how well trained a dog is, they can have a change of temperment. My mums and her sisters dog was fine and friendly growing up, until me and my cousins were born and it got jealous and attacked my cousin. The law is in place because these type of dogs were causing serious injury and death to people? And yes I will play the human card because I value human life over a dogs and don't think the two are equal. Thankfully the government aren't stupid enough to put their faith in training all dogs not to bite. You might not care about 'the odd dogs' that 'may turn around and bite someone even if they're friendly.' But the majority care about peoples safety and feel a lot happier with the law in place.

Training a dog works, it's fact. I think humans who think like yourself are selfish. Just because a dog may not be as intelligent as a human it doesn't mean their life is any less than ours. I don't want to wait for a dog to attack before it gets put down, I'm comparing it to our laws.

I don't want to be part of a cult that cares about nothing else but humanity.