Are people born gay or is it a free choice?

[MKR&*42]

Yeah Kinsey is an idiot... pretty sure it was them who also brought about the 6" myth by simply ASKING men how big their junk was and having no scientific involvement whatsoever

Really? My God. I knew the average wasn't 6" (I'm sure it's more like 5" or so in the UK) but I had no idea he came to that conclusion by asking males to tell him their size... How does one not see the flawed logic in that?

[MatthewRMG]

I'm pretty sure I was born gay - I can see the viewpoint of "Do you decide to be gay?" but in my case, it doesn't apply: I didn't choose to be gay.

[GommeInc]

My opinion seems to vary all the time. I find it a mixture of both. A friend of mine was straight when he was younger at school and college (he went out with girls, had sex - standard Essex) but realised he was gay when he went to University and literally has no interests in girls at all. I suppose you could say he was fine with girls because they were something he knew and he didn't know better and experimented later on to find out what he really liked.

But I also have met people who instinctly known they were gay and gone into having sex with the same sex and have no urges to sleep with the opposite.

It's a discussion which really does justice to the whole "the world isn't black and white" quote. Some people experiment and then choose what they prefer, which some argue is sort of like bisexuality, but then you get the argument of is that just a form of having a choice that changes depending on mood or happy to sleep with anything regardless of mood, although personally I think sexuality is chosen based on what you have chosen to stick with either by choice or simply because anything else feels wrong.

It's a topic that is talked about too much really that it's literally talked about ad nauseam (to the point of nausea, use it in essays - you will be loved for it ).

[GirlNextDoor15]

http://www.truth-and-justice.info/2007/born-gay.html

[GommeInc]

http://www.truth-and-justice.info/2007/born-gay.html

I love it when seemingly educated people like the writer seem to forget the odd thing. They mention that the only correct use of the anal passage is the removal of products, yet anal sex is enjoyable to both heterosexual and homosexual couples. If it was designed purely to eject waste, why on earth do people feel happy to have sex in that style? Surely if it was wrong, it would feel wrong or lack any sort of pleasurable sexual experience? Like having sex with an ear. Do they discourage oral sex too, which is also the "incorrect use of reproductive organs" as they are literally only meant to slot something into something, like a simplistic IKEA instruction manual of slot part A into part B?

They just come off as not getting any, or naive.

[PiippBB]

I'm sorry, I fail to see how doing tap dance when you're male automatically makes you gay.

Are all female footballers lesbians?

Completely agree. I'm gay myself and believe me, my upbringing did nothing to 'make me gay.' I've always known I was gay; I remember being at school at the age of five and I just knew even then that I didn't like girls at all. Of course, during my childhood I had no idea about sex, etc, but I always knew that I wouldn't even have a wife and children because I knew I liked boys, even at that young age. I think people are definitely born gay. Yes, some people may not realise this, and influences in their life may make them realise their sexuality, that's always going to be the case in a society where you are brought up to know that you should like the opposite sex. But I don't think you can be 'made' gay by anything, I don't think you can suddenly realise you are gay; I think it's always there to start with, you just didn't know it or, in many cases, tried to deny it to yourself. It's certainly not a choice; you either like the same sex or you don't, same as being straight. If you don't like it, you don't like it, there's no way to make yourself like it.

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I love it when seemingly educated people like the writer seem to forget the odd thing. They mention that the only correct use of the anal passage is the removal of products, yet anal sex is enjoyable to both heterosexual and homosexual couples. If it was designed purely to eject waste, why on earth do people feel happy to have sex in that style? Surely if it was wrong, it would feel wrong or lack any sort of pleasurable sexual experience? Like having sex with an ear. Do they discourage oral sex too, which is also the "incorrect use of reproductive organs" as they are literally only meant to slot something into something, like a simplistic IKEA instruction manual of slot part A into part B?

They just come off as not getting any, or naive.

Men enjoy anal sex because it stimulates the prostate; a very sensitive gland reached only through the anus. Another problem with the Catholic stance; if you were to follow that completely it would only ever be acceptable to stimulate ones self through vaginal sex with a woman (without contraception too).

PS: I hope this post isn't going too far. If it is, then MODs, please delete it. Don't wanna get in trouble, just discussing the debate.

[GommeInc]

Men enjoy anal sex because it stimulates the prostate; a very sensitive gland reached only through the anus. Another problem with the Catholic stance; if you were to follow that completely it would only ever be acceptable to stimulate ones self through vaginal sex with a woman (without contraception too).

PS: I hope this post isn't going too far. If it is, then MODs, please delete it. Don't wanna get in trouble, just discussing the debate.

Indeed, but these people who write this sorts of articles clearly do not know anything about the human body and seem rather naive about sex. Anal and oral are both enjoyable and natural, yet for some reason they're blissfully unaware of this and just label homosexual or non-reproductive sex as wrong and unnatural. If they were, it wouldn't be enjoyable or possible, like having a go with someones nose or ear.

And I think we're fine as long as we do not go into too much detail (anal, oral etc are unfiltered for these reasons).

[FlyingJesus]

http://www.truth-and-justice.info/2007/born-gay.html

What a ridiculous response they give, especially this part: "In prisons some people become sodomized because of losing a game of cards - they gamble away their last, and sometimes the only, "asset" - the anal passage. Once this happens, previously "straight" people become "bent" or "gay"."

No, people in prisons primarily get sodomised because they are physically weaker and therefore get RAPED, which does not make one gay, it makes one a rape victim. The pain and trauma of that alone is more than anyone should ever have to handle, but comments like this then add shaming and character debasement to the victim. Furthermore, having a homosexual experience does not make one gay necessarily, any more than having a heterosexual one makes one straight.

They mention that the only correct use of the anal passage is the removal of products, yet anal sex is enjoyable to both heterosexual and homosexual couples. If it was designed purely to eject waste, why on earth do people feel happy to have sex in that style? Surely if it was wrong, it would feel wrong or lack any sort of pleasurable sexual experience? Like having sex with an ear. Do they discourage oral sex too, which is also the "incorrect use of reproductive organs" as they are literally only meant to slot something into something, like a simplistic IKEA instruction manual of slot part A into part B?

Didn't you know that anything other than sober vaginal intercourse in missionary with a committed spouse is the wrong way to do it and can't possibly be of interest to anyone other than a perverse and godless barbarian? Gosh Ryan read a book ;||||||

[Dean]

No, people are not born homosexual. Homosexuality is an effect of your environment, surroundings and people really. I guess a lot of factors can determine wether or not you'll be homosexual or not later on in life. I would say it's similar to learning as no one really knows anything from birth, so what you do as a baby/child will probably impact your views on life and what people you desire. Some may disagree but that's the only logical reason in my mind.

[GommeInc]

Didn't you know that anything other than sober vaginal intercourse in missionary with a committed spouse is the wrong way to do it and can't possibly be of interest to anyone other than a perverse and godless barbarian? Gosh Ryan read a book ;||||||

Forgive me Jesus for I have sinned I only ever read Nuts or whatever those top shelf magazines are with the colourful and imaginative positions

What a ridiculous response they give, especially this part: "In prisons some people become sodomized because of losing a game of cards - they gamble away their last, and sometimes the only, "asset" - the anal passage. Once this happens, previously "straight" people become "bent" or "gay"."

It makes you wonder what their limits are on the understanding that the anal passage is the last and only asset we have. Is it necessarily limited to prisons or can we use it to barter in auctions or markets as well, or as a type of insurance? It'll make for an interesting shopping trip abroad.