Woman 'beheaded' in North London

[scottish]

We are constantly lied to in order to save face, particularly when there is a high possibility that it is related to a religion which is finding itself spread rapidly throughout the UK.

I do not intend for this to sound racist, and I have no issue with religions people chose - but when they start implementing their rules which are accepted over our own because of the large amount of them - then I start having issues.

No, I am not saying all muslims are terrorists or extremists - but when our terrorism threat has been increased to severe - why the hell are they allowed to continue wearing Burkas which cover everything but their eyes when if you were to wear a crash helmet, hoodie and such you are asked to leave and treated like a criminal?

And the fact that they try to hide the religious background behind criminals like this to protect the people belonging to this religion, it' ridiculous.
Yes, before you say something about muslims needing protecting because they are treated unfairly because of their religion - if they don't like it then they can go somewhere that is more... muslim friendly.

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their rules are accepted over yours, how exactly? does your religion deem you must wear a hoodie and crash helmet whenever you're outdoors? no. just because some muslims turn into extremists doesn't mean the rest of them should be stripped of any religious beliefs for you to feel better at night..

not that removing burkhas is going to point out every terrorist anyway so what difference does that make..

no-one gets their religious backgrounnd hidden during incidents like this? they're literally always covering the newspapers stating what religion they are, the only time it's not is if they're christian etc. If you don't like the fact that the UK hosts a wide variety of religions then you can do somewhere that is more.. racist friendly.

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We should follow in France's footsteps really, it'd be much safer and more beneficial for us - being that Muslim is our most 'active' religion which carries higher coverage of persons - there are also extremists (like in any religion) which appear to cause the biggest issues when they can escape undetected by wearing a Burka... I personally thought that would have been enough to ban anything hiding identity.

Of course we do not actually know, but it just seems like the likely option because of previous - more recent - attacks.
Obviously I could be wrong, which is why I say likely and not certainly - but we'll not know the full truth as everyone has too much to hide.

muslim isn't our most active religion, Christianity is (33.2m people), followed by no religion (14.1m people), followed by Muslim (2.7m people).

how the hell are they escaping terrorism by wearing a Burka? lol

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no-one gets their religious backgrounnd hidden during incidents like this? they're literally always covering the newspapers stating what religion they are, the only time it's not is if they're christian etc. If you don't like the fact that the UK hosts a wide variety of religions then you can do somewhere that is more.. racist friendly.

that's true, if a christian murders someone for no reason, their religion will not be publicised. if a Muslim does it, this information is almost always included in news articles, most likely to cause further scaring. the guy from this particular murder has been revealed to be Muslim but he's also revealed to have been clearly mentally ill. his religion is not the cause here, it's his mental state but people will only see his religion and assume that's related.

[Kardan]

How many of the said Christians actively go to church? Go on missions? Wear items of clothing representing their religion? Follow each and every rule of the Bible?

I look forward to statistics coming forward to see how much has changed - the number of Atheists has certainly grown, as well as the populace of other religions.

Let's start with the basics:

Number of Christians: 31,479,876
Number of Muslims: 2,660,116

These numbers are from 2011.

For arguments sake, let's say EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM actively practices their religion. Each one actively go to Mosques, each one wears religious clothing, each one follows every single rule in the Qur'an etc.

Now, for Christians. Data from 2007 says that 15% of the country consider themselves 'regular churchgoers'. 2012 says that number has reduced to 12%. For arguments sake, let's say that those 12% of the country are all Christian (it's extremely likely that at least some of the people that said they regularly attend church didn't put themselves down as Christian in the census).

So 12% of the number of Christians turns out to be 3,777,585 people. This number is significantly lower than what it actually is (The 2007 data says that 15% of people regularly go to church, which is equivalent to 7.6m people, so to say 12% is 3.7m is a lot lower than it should be).

Of course, in reality, if we're counting people wearing religious items, then the number of Christians would shoot up.

So, we've taken the extreme upper bound for the number of Muslims (Saying that every single Muslim practices Islam), and for Christianity we've essentially taken the number of people that regularly go to church, but instead of taking that number of people from the whole country, we've only taken that from the number of Christians in the whole country.

So to sum it up, the actual number of people practicing Islam is likely to be lower, and the actual number of people practicing Christianity is likely to be higher, yet I still arrive at:

Muslims: 2,660,116
Christians: 3,777,585

So how is Islam more practised than Christianity in the UK?

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yeah that's true too aiden, there are muslims out there who do out practice their religion. they smoke, drink, gamble and there are women who do not wear the burka or hijab as well. they often bring shame to their religion, like gay people etc would do to their christian parents.
its like that quote where Christians look down on the extremists, the westboro church. it's the same for muslims with their martyrs and terrorists. if u actually take the time out to talk to some muslims, they are normal and nice, having the same reaction to beheadings as we do.

[Kardan]

Also, I can see why people get up in arms about burkas, but there's nothing at all wrong with hijabs.

[-:Undertaker:-]

their rules are accepted over yours, how exactly? does your religion deem you must wear a hoodie and crash helmet whenever you're outdoors? no. just because some muslims turn into extremists doesn't mean the rest of them should be stripped of any religious beliefs for you to feel better at night..

not that removing burkhas is going to point out every terrorist anyway so what difference does that make..

no-one gets their religious backgrounnd hidden during incidents like this? they're literally always covering the newspapers stating what religion they are, the only time it's not is if they're christian etc. If you don't like the fact that the UK hosts a wide variety of religions then you can do somewhere that is more.. racist friendly.

Islam isn't a race.

how the hell are they escaping terrorism by wearing a Burka? lol

They're accepting third world behaviours and attitudes towards women by wearing burkhas, hence why their men cover them up because they are so insecure of their women. But burkhas aside, and extremist attitudes in the limelight... let's have a look.

British Muslims have zero tolerance of homosexuality: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/m...-homosexuality

British Muslims are increasingly engaging in arranged and multiple marriages: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15032947

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

I could go on citing these polls and research, but it's pretty clear: I don't want any of that being acceptable in my country.

that's true, if a christian murders someone for no reason, their religion will not be publicised. if a Muslim does it, this information is almost always included in news articles, most likely to cause further scaring. the guy from this particular murder has been revealed to be Muslim but he's also revealed to have been clearly mentally ill. his religion is not the cause here, it's his mental state but people will only see his religion and assume that's related.

Well it's pretty obvious why, is it not? It seems to me that a lot of people such as yourself seem determined to pretend that all cultures are equal and all religions are equal, and that Islam is just as comparable to Christianity is. But that simply isn't the case and it's a delusion.

Anybody who knows the slightest thing about the history of Islam of the last 100 years can tell you that.

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yeah that's true too aiden, there are muslims out there who do out practice their religion. they smoke, drink, gamble and there are women who do not wear the burka or hijab as well. they often bring shame to their religion, like gay people etc would do to their christian parents.
its like that quote where Christians look down on the extremists, the westboro church. it's the same for muslims with their martyrs and terrorists. if u actually take the time out to talk to some muslims, they are normal and nice, having the same reaction to beheadings as we do.

Whilst it is true that there are extremists within both religions, it is a fallacy to pretend Christianity has the same scale of problems as Islam.

See some of the polling research I linked to.

[scottish]

The only worthwhile part of the post to reply to is;

They're accepting third world behaviours and attitudes towards women by wearing burkhas, hence why their men cover them up because they are so insecure of their women. But burkhas aside, and extremist attitudes in the limelight... let's have a look.

British Muslims have zero tolerance of homosexuality: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/m...-homosexuality

British Muslims are increasingly engaging in arranged and multiple marriages: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15032947

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

I could go on citing these polls and research, but it's pretty clear: I don't want any of that being acceptable in my country.

I'm sure there's millions upon millions of people who have absolutely 0 tolerance of homosexuals, plenty of Christians included.

I don't see an issue with arranged marriages? Multiple marriages isn't something I believe in but if they do so be it.

A whole 20%? Let's kill them all now then how dare they.

As per above

You go from proper news websites to some blog and a website that doesn't exist?

[Kardan]

I mean, 2005/6 may seem recent, but that's 8/9 years ago now.

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And Undertaker, you use 'British Muslims have zero tolerance on homosexuality' as one of your points, but it's perfectly fine when Christians have zero tolerance on homosexuality and start denying gays access to hotel rooms etc?

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm sure there's millions upon millions of people who have absolutely 0 tolerance of homosexuals, plenty of Christians included.

Are you making the claim that British Christians are as intolerant of homosexuality as British muslims are?

Again with the stupid comparison between Christianity and Islam.

I don't see an issue with arranged marriages? Multiple marriages isn't something I believe in but if they do so be it.

You don't see an issue with arranged marriages?

And here I thought we were in the 21st century, and instead you'll go back to the 18th century to defend this religion. Incredible.

A whole 20%? Let's kill them all now then how dare they?

Well what do you make of that finding? Go on, i'm interested.

Do you find it worrying? Acceptable? Great?

You go from proper news websites to some blog and a website that doesn't exist?

I can assure you the polls are genuine, it appears Populus have taken web pages down to older polls or have changed the urls.

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I mean, 2005/6 may seem recent, but that's 8/9 years ago now.

I would guess it is even worse now considering the numbers, as well as the spread of Wahabbai Islam.

And Undertaker, you use 'British Muslims have zero tolerance on homosexuality' as one of your points, but it's perfectly fine when Christians have zero tolerance on homosexuality and start denying gays access to hotel rooms etc?

Again, another stupid comparison - you're comparing one unique case of a couple who politely turned away a gay couple (agree with it or not) with the polling finding that British muslims have zero tolerance towards homosexuality.

That's like dragging up Westboro in response to the poll findings..... it's absurd.

[Kardan]

I think it's pretty obvious that there is more than one Christian couple in the whole of the UK that doesn't agree with homosexuality. It's also pretty obvious that every single Muslim doesn't have a 'zero tolerance' policy on homosexuality.

In my books, they're both as bad as each other. And quite frankly, I think you'll find more Christians in the UK against homosexuality than Muslims in the UK against homosexuality