Depression Test

[-:Undertaker:-]

Dan once again thinking he knows better than countless experts in their chosen field. You really are delusional.

"I don't believe in schizophrenia. I think some people just can't handle their thoughts as well as others"

"I don't believe in cancer, I think some people are just more healthy than others"

That's how stupid you sound.

You mean like you did over drugs when somebody directly quoted the NHS experts on them?

Funny that, isn't it. Believe it or not, experts are often wrong.

"We have not overthrown the divine right of kings to fall down for the divine right of experts." - Earl of Stockton, Harold MacMillan

My point is simply that classifying different things as diseases/disorders when they're entirely natural isn't always the correct answer. Whether we like it or not, some people actually are evil. Some children are just naughty. Some people are just more sad than others. The answer isn't always to pumpt them full of drugs and send them to a government shrink every few weeks.

See my point on this video. What is/isn't a mental disorder by the 'experts' is simply a moral code.

Do you really expect any better?

I think we're all aware that he's an absolute idiot.

I remember being ripped on this forum, probably by you too, over saying the Euro was a ticking timebomb and wouldn't work: I was showered with abuse and slime yet turned out to be 100% spot on. I remember warning of Islamic child abuse taking place in our cities, yet because the BBC wasn't talking about it I was accused of making waycist claims without evidence: until an official report proved me correct.

My track record is pretty good.

[The Don]

You mean like you did over drugs when somebody directly quoted the NHS experts on them?

Funny that, isn't it. Believe it or not, experts are often wrong.

Nope, I didn't say the nhs was wrong about an illness? Of course driving whilst stoned is dangerous, but that itself doesn't make weed dangerous, the combination of the two does or can you not mentally comprehend that? Literally not even a comparison, try harder.

My point is simply that classifying different things as diseases/disorders when they're entirely natural isn't always the correct answer. Whether we like it or not, some people actually are evil. Some children are just naughty. Some people are just more sad than others. The answer isn't always to pumpt them full of drugs and send them to a government shrink every few weeks.

Being depressed to the point where you kill yourself isn't natural, you're an idiot. You seem to think you know better than experts that have devoted their entire lives studying that field, it's laughable. 90+% of peer reviewed scientists are wrong about climate change according to you, and now you know better than those working for the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders? Delusional.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Nope, I didn't say the nhs was wrong about an illness? Of course driving whilst stoned is dangerous, but that itself doesn't make weed dangerous, the combination of the two does or can you not mentally comprehend that? Literally not even a comparison, try harder.

I remember you disputing something somebody had posted concerning the danger of illegal drugs, despite it being pointed out that it came directly from the NHS website (and the NHS and experts can't be wrong in the slightest, can they?) and it made me laugh to myself at the time because when I dispute something like global warming climate change you go absoutely crackers and say that my opinion isn't valid because the majority of experts hold a certain view.

Just like the majority of experts and those in science held the view in the 1920s and 1930s that disabled people and children were unworthy of life with the eugenics movement, or that homosexuality (one of your favourite pet causes on the left) was a disorder as late as the 1970s and thus performed castrations and electric shock therapy as late as the 1960s and 1970s in the western world. Just like the majority of experts held in the 2000s that if Britain didn't join the Eurozone it'd be a disaster. Just as the experts in the 1990s forced us into joining the ERM which was a disaster. Or how the experts had soldiers stand in the way of a nuclear blast in Pacific Ocean nuclear blast testing in the 1950s and 1960s.

But experts are always right. Yep.

Being depressed to the point where you kill yourself isn't natural, you're an idiot. You seem to think you know better than experts that have devoted their entire lives studying that field, it's laughable. 90+% of peer reviewed scientists are wrong about climate change according to you, and now you know better than those working for the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders? Delusional.

As above.

[Lewis]

The fact is that most people with depression or whatever else have no control over it. They don't choose to have it. It is not merely an emotion, you cannot compare depression to sadness, anger or whatever else. They're nothing alike.

Whatever you class depression as, most of the time it is not the person's fault and nor can it be described simply as an emotion.

[The Don]

I remember you disputing something somebody had posted concerning the danger of illegal drugs, despite it being pointed out that it came directly from the NHS website (and the NHS and experts can't be wrong in the slightest, can they?) and it made me laugh to myself at the time because when I dispute something like global warming climate change you go absoutely crackers and say that my opinion isn't valid because the majority of experts hold a certain view.

Come on, find this quote of me saying the NHS is wrong about the classification of an illness...

Just like the majority of experts and those in science held the view in the 1920s and 1930s that disabled people and children were unworthy of life

You seem to be confusing an illness/disease with an ideology/opinion. The two are very different, one can be proven through study and is therefore fact, the other is a belief.

or that homosexuality (one of your favourite pet causes on the left) was a disorder as late as the 1970s and thus performed castrations and electric shock therapy as late as the 1960s and 1970s in the western world.

Yeah, when new facts come to light the old facts are changed. That's the beauty of science, they're not afraid to admit when they're wrong. Those facts have been changed because of new discoveries whereas you've literally just woke up one morning and gone "you know what, I don't think depressions real" based on absolutely nothing, that's the difference here, ones been studied for years and there are actual reasons for why its classified as a disorder, your reasoning amount to nothing more than "WELL DIFFERENT PEOPLE WERE WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO SO THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE WRONG ABOUT THIS NOW!!". Absolute nonsense.

Just like the majority of experts held in the 2000s that if Britain didn't join the Eurozone it'd be a disaster. Just as the experts in the 1990s forced us into joining the ERM which was a disaster.

Ah, now we're talking about predicting things as opposed to actually studying something which can be observed, gotcha...

But experts are always right. Yep.

Nope, experts aren't infallible and as technology advances things that were considered fact are often proven wrong but that doesn't mean we should blindly not trust what we're told is fact now unless we have reason not to and unfortunately some people from the 1920's thinking disabled people are subhuman isn't reason to argue that the classification of mental illnesses are wrong today.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The fact is that most people with depression or whatever else have no control over it. They don't choose to have it. It is not merely an emotion, you cannot compare depression to sadness, anger or whatever else. They're nothing alike.

Whatever you class depression as, most of the time it is not the person's fault and nor can it be described simply as an emotion.

Didn't argue it was the fault of the person.

In terms of emotion though, why not? Even if it is a rare chemical inbalance, why does that declassify it as a feeling? It remains such.

Come on, find this quote of me saying the NHS is wrong about the classification of an illness...

I haven't got it, but you said something along those lines because you didn't like what the NHS and the experts had to say on drugs probably because you hold the view that drugs should be decriminalised which again is funny considering how much of a zealot you are when it comes to smoking.

You seem to be confusing an illness/disease with an ideology/opinion. The two are very different, one can be proven through study and is therefore fact, the other is a belief.

Actually no, that is what I am arguing against. As the video I posted before explained, what is an illness or what isn't an illness is very hard to define because you could argue that homosexuality is a disorder (which I would still hold to, but which the experts changed opinion on in the 1970s) or you could argue that it isn't. The fact is that most of these classifications, as the video explains, are simply a moral book of guidelines that changes with the times depending on the moral code of the day.

Which is personally why I prefer the Bible and religious texts, but yeah.

Yeah, when new facts come to light the old facts are changed. That's the beauty of science, they're not afraid to admit when they're wrong. Those facts have been changed because of new discoveries whereas you've literally just woke up one morning and gone "you know what, I don't think depressions real" based on absolutely nothing, that's the difference here, ones been studied for years and there are actual reasons for why its classified as a disorder, your reasoning amount to nothing more than "WELL DIFFERENT PEOPLE WERE WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO SO THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE WRONG ABOUT THIS NOW!!". Absolute nonsense.

Well actually, yeah - that's completely right. You're asking us to believe 100% in the mainstream expert view, yet it's often turned out to be completely wrong or incredibly dangerous.... which proves to me in a bigger picture that science cannot provide a moral code for humanity to abide by, which is why I moved from an atheist to religious.

If a field has a track record in getting things wrong, you don't blindly put your faith in it.

Ah, now we're talking about predicting things as opposed to actually studying something which can be observed, gotcha...

Just like how the experts predictions about global warming climate change have all turned out to be scaremongering rubbish, yep.

Nope, experts aren't infallible and as technology advances things that were considered fact are often proven wrong but that doesn't mean we should blindly not trust what we're told is fact now unless we have reason not to and unfortunately some people from the 1920's thinking disabled people are subhuman isn't reason to argue that the classification of mental illnesses are wrong today.

Haven't argued that.

Just warning that pumping a population full of drugs and making excuses for the bad things that happen in life (some of which are our fault, some of which are not our fault but simply a part of life itself) should at least be treated with some scepticism.

[Hannah]

Major Depression:	Slight
Dysthymia:	Slight-Moderate
Bipolar Disorder:	Moderate
Cyclothymia:	High
Seasonal Affective Disorder:	Moderate
Postpartum Depression:	N/A

Um, okay? xd

[The Don]

Didn't argue it was the fault of the person.

In terms of emotion though, why not? Even if it is a rare chemical inbalance, why does that declassify it as a feeling? It remains such.



I haven't got it, but you said something along those lines because you didn't like what the NHS and the experts had to say on drugs probably because you hold the view that drugs should be decriminalised which again is funny considering how much of a zealot you are when it comes to smoking.



Actually no, that is what I am arguing against. As the video I posted before explained, what is an illness or what isn't an illness is very hard to define because you could argue that homosexuality is a disorder (which I would still hold to, but which the experts changed opinion on in the 1970s) or you could argue that it isn't. The fact is that most of these classifications, as the video explains, are simply a moral book of guidelines that changes with the times depending on the moral code of the day.

Which is personally why I prefer the Bible and religious texts, but yeah.



Well actually, yeah - that's completely right. You're asking us to believe 100% in the mainstream expert view, yet it's often turned out to be completely wrong or incredibly dangerous.... which proves to me in a bigger picture that science cannot provide a moral code for humanity to abide by, which is why I moved from an atheist to religious.

If a field has a track record in getting things wrong, you don't blindly put your faith in it.



Just like how the experts predictions about global warming climate change have all turned out to be scaremongering rubbish, yep.



Haven't argued that.

Just warning that pumping a population full of drugs and making excuses for the bad things that happen in life (some of which are our fault, some of which are not our fault but simply a part of life itself) should at least be treated with some scepticism.

Can't argue with the delusional. Dan have you got any evidence that disproves depression? (besides other experts being wrong in the past about other things)

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Oh, and here's what I wrote about the NHS

Ok, then the NHS are reaching. The driving ones really annoying me too. Obviously driving while intoxicated on anything is dangerous, that doesn't make the drink/pill/substance dangerous, that makes the combination of the two dangerous so it's completely irrelevant to the op.

Nowhere do I say they are wrong about an illness?

[Stephen]

holy crap undertaker is just impossible :S

I would love to see a new comedy show on tv
undertaker's opinions vs the world

[Sharon]

high in everything. very high in bi polar and extreme in major depression

nothing I didn't know