Nigel Farage was right about health tourism/HIV

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If the 2nd part is true then the top line shouldn't make a difference surely - "being Ugandan" may mean a higher likelihood of not having the qualities you're after, but isn't undesirable in itself and so is a very poor factor to make decisions on. Capping the number of people coming in from a certain country could well mean that you're just letting in all the ones that you view as undesirable and keeping the most deserving out

It isn't an ideal way to make decisions on how to quota the cap system, however it is the only realistic way of doing so. It is not realistic or sensible to not take into account future HIV/Aids rates among Ugandans applying for immigration based on statistics just as it isn't sensible not to take into account the high rates of fraud/ATM crime amongst Romanians, or the language barrier/corruption rates with Pakistanis. You cannot predict the future, but you can use statistics to work out chances.

Jesus said give me your hungry and your poor, but Jesus was magic. Britain should say: give me your educated, young, willing and healthy.

also you berated me in a thread recently about eugenics ideals for health reasons and yet you're advocating just that (in a far slower, less justifiable way which causes/allows suffering to prevail) right here

The British Crown and its state has a responsibility to its own subjects, we gave responsibilty up for Africa/the world over 60 years ago.

Dans example was under the assumption that every immigrant has HIV and earns less than the treatment costs. In the real world most people don't have HIV and don't claim back anywhere near the amount they put in towards the NHS through taxes so the people needing treatment will be subsidised by the taxes of the rest of the population. That's how the NHS has worked for decades.

Most immigrants, we are told, come in to do the low-wage jobs that British people won't do.

Why does your side constantly make the economic argument for immigration yet won't make it in clear cut instances like this?

[Kardan]

You do realise if someone has lived legally in the UK for 7 or more years they have entitlement to British Citizenship.

And there are plenty of people that deserve treatment on the NHS that have lived here for less than 7 years.

[Firehorse]

And there are plenty of people that deserve treatment on the NHS that have lived here for less than 7 years.

And they can already get that treatment so where's the problem?

[AgnesIO]

No, it is real. Check HIV rates in those countries.

Don't create a false drama and act all dramatic over something both you and I know to be true.



If certain nationalities were more likely (but did not have) to catch and spread dangerous diseases such as HIV, TB then I would certainly take that into account under a cap system when deciding what % of the cap comes from each nationality: as I would with migrant nationality groups which have high unemployment rates even when settled in the United Kingdom. Just as I would take into account the language barriers (if one exists), age, religion, number of children, education levels and so on. If say 20% of all Ugandans went on to catch HIV after settling here, then I would want less Ugandans to avoid the high costs of care.

Does that make me a waycist? a bigot? a nasty pasty? No, that makes me sensible. I want only the best (educated, non-extreme, healthy, young) coming in.

My comment was referring to your whole statement, not about the fact African nations have higher HIV rates.

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Nigel Farage backed by 50% of Britons (and 89% of Ukip voters) over HIV comments, YouGov finds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arrive-UK.html

A YouGov poll of 1,906 adults found that 50 per cent would support ‘people coming to live in the UK being banned from receiving treatment on the NHS for a period of five years’. Another 34 per cent opposed such a ban.

A second question saw voters asked which statement best reflected their view. In this, 52 per cent thought Mr Farage was ‘right to raise this issue - immigrants with serious conditions like HIV are costing the health service a large amount of money’.

This compared with 37 per cent who picked: ‘Nigel Farage was just scaremongering - compared to the total cost of the NHS this is a drop in the ocean’, and 11 per cent did not know.