Ireland set to legalise same-sex marriage

[AgnesIO]

What is your stance on couples who are married and for whatever reason cannot conceive a child and use surrogate or adoption services? Do you think they shouldn't marry?

Ah, I've been posed this question before! This is obviously a rare exception to the rule. Females are supposed to be able to give birth; obviously in some very unfortunate circumstances this is not possible.

It's a bit like me making the statement "humans can walk", and then somebody saying "well what if the person has no legs" - obviously there are exceptions.

[ItsMeerken]

You might want to get rid of being gay being punishable by death, before trying to legalise gay marriage in every country.

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Personally, I am against gay marriage. I believe that marriage is between man and woman, who in (the vast majority) of cases have children.

No doubt an unpopular view on this forum (and publicly in recent years, too).

Just think though, Everybody is the same no matter what anyone says, you're no different if you are black, white, asian, gay, bi or straight or even anything else for this matter. Who cares if they can't have children, they're still happy together at the end of the day, what's to say if you turned out to be gay and you wanted to love someone of the same sex, and wanted to take it further. How would you feel about that, knowing that people would be saying such things saying they were against it. Personally, I am straight myself but I have a step sister who is a lesbian and she is getting married at the end of this month, I can't actually wait for it. I have nothing against Gays, Bi's or Lesbians at all and neither should some people too.

My opinion right there for ya

[AgnesIO]

Just think though, Everybody is the same no matter what anyone says, you're no different if you are black, white, asian, gay, bi or straight or even anything else for this matter. Who cares if they can't have children, they're still happy together at the end of the day, what's to say if you turned out to be gay and you wanted to love someone of the same sex, and wanted to take it further. How would you feel about that, knowing that people would be saying such things saying they were against it. Personally, I am straight myself but I have a step sister who is a lesbian and she is getting married at the end of this month, I can't actually wait for it. I have nothing against Gays, Bi's or Lesbians at all and neither should some people too.

My opinion right there for ya

Everybody is not the same, unfortunately. That isn't to say that we should treat people badly, but they are not the same.

I don't think I'll "turn out to be gay" - I think I'm old enough and have had enough experience to know my sexuality And even then, there are gay people who are against gay marriage...

I don't have anything against ​ gay people, I just have views on what marriage is and whom it involves.

[sex]

Ah, I've been posed this question before! This is obviously a rare exception to the rule. Females are supposed to be able to give birth; obviously in some very unfortunate circumstances this is not possible.

It's a bit like me making the statement "humans can walk", and then somebody saying "well what if the person has no legs" - obviously there are exceptions.

Oh ok, so since females are suppose to be able to give birth it would be ok for two lesbians to adopt / conceive via surrogacy?

and that comparison to walking is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

Marriage is a step a couple take to show, in the eyes of the law that they love each other and intend to commit to each other forever. Being married doesn't give you the right to have a child .

Marriage has nothing to do with children! Its a seperate issue, lots of people marry with no intent to have children

[AgnesIO]

Oh ok, so since females are suppose to be able to give birth it would be ok for two lesbians to adopt / conceive via surrogacy?

and that comparison to walking is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

Marriage is a step a couple take to show, in the eyes of the law that they love each other and intend to commit to each other forever. Being married doesn't give you the right to have a child .

Marriage has nothing to do with children! Its a seperate issue, lots of people marry with no intent to have children

It would not be the two females biological child. Unless you go for having a mix of three people's genetics, which would be wrong. Adoption is great, but then you bring on the question of whether it should be a man and a woman bringing up the child etc.

It isn't a stupid comparison at all. You bring up a rare scenario for something occurring and therefore claim it is wrong to say it - well it is the exact same thing as someone who has no legs being unable to walk, or for someone to be blind. It's ridiculous to bring out rare cases as a fair argument.

Even if we exclude children from the equation, I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. Evidently we are not going to agree on the matter, but to me two men or two women marrying is not right.

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If 2 blokes want to get married then they should have every right to do so. It's their country just as much as ours. Why should we stop them? Doesn't affect anyone in the slightest...

Polygamy doesn't affect me personally.. is that cool, too?

[The Don]

It would not be the two females biological child. Unless you go for having a mix of three people's genetics, which would be wrong. Adoption is great, but then you bring on the question of whether it should be a man and a woman bringing up the child etc.

It isn't a stupid comparison at all. You bring up a rare scenario for something occurring and therefore claim it is wrong to say it - well it is the exact same thing as someone who has no legs being unable to walk, or for someone to be blind. It's ridiculous to bring out rare cases as a fair argument.

Even if we exclude children from the equation, I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. Evidently we are not going to agree on the matter, but to me two men or two women marrying is not right.

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Polygamy doesn't affect me personally.. is that cool, too?

So I presume you also think single/widowed parents should have their children taken off them?

[GommeInc]

It's about time. Marriage is and has been a glorified contract for many centuries now, so it makes sense to allow same-sex couples "marrying" together to receive the same rights as all others. Reserving it for opposite sex couples holds no value these days. Children are protected under separate laws and benefits so they're almost completely irrelevant in the field of marriage. Marriage as it is now is and should be about protecting both parties, either when one dies or if one becomes ill and both or one requires help from the state.

Why should everyone receive the same rights when married? If a man who consented to a bona fide marriage has to look after his male partner if he were to become sick, he should receive assistance especially if both have been paying into the system. If a woman marries her girlfriend who she truly loves and they live a fruitful, happy life together and in old age one dies the remaining wife should be able to receive the same rights as an opposite sex married couple to protect their estates or interests from those who would otherwise receive beneficial interests in it.

Hopefully it becomes actual marriage rather than the mess the UK has where it still appears far from equal and fair marriage. Marriage IS marriage, it shouldn't need any qualifiers based on gender.

[AgnesIO]

So I presume you also think single/widowed parents should have their children taken off them?

Andddd we've once again come to rare occasions, like the man without legs, the woman who can't see and the boy without hands.

However, more the the point, in an ideal world there would not be a child who doesn't know their mother or father - is it therefore right that we create a life where they have no chance of ever having one of those two figures?

[The Don]

Andddd we've once again come to rare occasions, like the man without legs, the woman who can't see and the boy without hands.

However, more the the point, in an ideal world there would not be a child who doesn't know their mother or father - is it therefore right that we create a life where they have no chance of ever having one of those two figures?

Single parents are rare? Don't be so ridiculous, there are nearly two million of them in the UK http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arents-EU.html
If a mother and father are so necessary for raising a child that you would deny a gay couple the ability to adopt and raise one, then surely you also agree that single/widowed parents shouldn't be able to raise children. Well done for dodging the question though.

Good news anyway, I was pretty shocked at the result. I thought it would have been a less decisive victory.

[GommeInc]

I think children who were abandoned by their biological parents would rather feel the loving, caring and warm hug from a couple acting as a parent irrespective of their sexuality than be and feel alone.