International Side of Habbox

[Matt]

I know what you mean and I see that it is lonelier for you guys as there are less people. I would like seniors HxL, HxHD and events that are international, but it does seem a little bit pointless when there are so few international staff and every time we've had one, they haven't really done a lot of recruitment at all (which is a major part of any seniors role, but particularly international).

I'm really against having an international AGM as it is - I think it has the potential to go against managers or the AGMs of those actual departments. I do think that having more say from the international side would be good though - weirdly I have been thinking lately about the international side and I was considering setting up a 'steering group' of active international staff and members to come up with ideas and maybe even set some of them in motion?

I guess that would kind of be like a feedback thread but with more responsibility and with people who are actually around during those times to give a real picture and see what actually works! And it would be a good way of letting you guys know each other.

I can see the International AGM clashing with managers/other AGMS over the jurisdiction of each department and I guess if it were to happen you'd need to set rules regarding how much the AGM International can do. Of course they wouldn't have set departments and would maybe not have as much say as original AGMs who have their set departments to oversee.

I think with saying Seniors are failing to advertise/recruit isn't really fair though. Yeah it's in their role description but if there's no events to advertise/recruit in anyway, then there goes a major on-client opportunity to advertise/recruit. I can't really talk for HxL because I don't pay attention to it but even HxHD sits empty pretty much all the time so they can't really go advertise/recruit there. On the forum there's only so much they can do and you can't really expect them to go around on Habbo shouting out Habbox and advertising/recruiting. I feel like and AGM would help steer that (without introducing international managers for each department).

Sorry if that makes no sense lol, I'm slowly getting tired (bed time)

[David]

So? Am I not supposed to say I've thought about it? I'd hate that you guys think I'm totally oblivious to problems like this....

relax it's just a prank an observation that you always say it

bit like when inseriousity used to always say "we're working on something you'll see it soon"

[lawrawrrr]

I can see the International AGM clashing with managers/other AGMS over the jurisdiction of each department and I guess if it were to happen you'd need to set rules regarding how much the AGM International can do. Of course they wouldn't have set departments and would maybe not have as much say as original AGMs who have their set departments to oversee.

I think with saying Seniors are failing to advertise/recruit isn't really fair though. Yeah it's in their role description but if there's no events to advertise/recruit in anyway, then there goes a major on-client opportunity to advertise/recruit. I can't really talk for HxL because I don't pay attention to it but even HxHD sits empty pretty much all the time so they can't really go advertise/recruit there. On the forum there's only so much they can do and you can't really expect them to go around on Habbo shouting out Habbox and advertising/recruiting. I feel like and AGM would help steer that (without introducing international managers for each department).

Sorry if that makes no sense lol, I'm slowly getting tired (bed time)

I understand what you mean but I think saying to someone ok you're in charge of international but not actually any departments I think they would be completely lost - having a few things in place, working from seniors would be a better way I think

relax it's just a prank an observation that you always say it

bit like when inseriousity used to always say "we're working on something you'll see it soon"

Yeah I do say it a lot I know :p it's mainly cos i overthink everything and therefore come up with ideas and solutions... which get pushed to ages in the future cos other things get in the way. Really going to push myself this weekend to get things out though !

[GoldenMerc]

I don't think there is any need for intl admin, but events, dj's, AGM, ye i do think so bring @joshuar; back

[Matt]

I understand what you mean but I think saying to someone ok you're in charge of international but not actually any departments I think they would be completely lost - having a few things in place, working from seniors would be a better way I think

Isn't that what we have now I feel like leaving it to seniors puts way too much dependence on them, and lets face it seniors don't have that much power at all and should be led by someone in a more managerial role imo. And I mean if you had the Intl DJ, Intl Events etc, that would give them something to look after? And maybe have subforums for international staff where managers AND the AGM chat about issues or ideas they might have. So there's things in place for them to talk and get a response from both their manager and their international AGM. Yes normal AGMs could reply but the Intl AGM would be able to ensure implementation of recruiting or advertising is actively being done (whilst GMT managers and general management are asleep?).

That subforum idea was a spur of the moment thing and I cbf deleting it.

[lawrawrrr]

Seniors actually have a lot more power and responsibility than the majority of seniors in the last few years have realised... the manager is there to guide ofc but recruitment is soooo crucial to any senior role (and arguably, to any staff member because they should want their department to do well, right?)

I just think that with the AGM roles being quite structured now (as they haven't really been in the past, with specific responsibilities and departments) an Intl AGM would create confusion... or not really have much power in itself


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[Brad]

Isn't that what we have now I feel like leaving it to seniors puts way too much dependence on them, and lets face it seniors don't have that much power at all and should be led by someone in a more managerial role imo. And I mean if you had the Intl DJ, Intl Events etc, that would give them something to look after? And maybe have subforums for international staff where managers AND the AGM chat about issues or ideas they might have. So there's things in place for them to talk and get a response from both their manager and their international AGM. Yes normal AGMs could reply but the Intl AGM would be able to ensure implementation of recruiting or advertising is actively being done (whilst GMT managers and general management are asleep?).

That subforum idea was a spur of the moment thing and I cbf deleting it.

I agree to the extent of them having something to do with them being able to look after Intl. Events, HxL, and would be support for those in senior/head roles as well. And with them having a limit on what they could do technically wouldn't make them AGMs anymore, but more of like... [Insert word that I am drawing a blank on].
I'm going to bring a real scenario in it; Let's pretend Habbox is a Country. In those countries we have different states/provinces/sections of land in which is ran by Mayors/leaders/higher role. Above those people is a board of trustees in which make ultimate decisions in which what goes on as a whole for the country.
This Intl. Representative we are talking about will be that individual that takes are of the middle ground in which is not an AGM role, nor a Senior/head/manager role. Even though they may not have a specified area, they still are there to be the mediator between the "board of trustees" (Which is the AGM for Habbox) and the mayors/leaders (Which are the Seniors/Heads/Managers)


I'm sorry if that's confusing but that's the only way I could explain it. LOL.

[despect]

It would be lovely to see the international side of things pick up. Now ive got a new intl seniors and heads there will be more giveaways and events being done so we can hopefully spark more interest during intl timezones

[FlyingJesus]

is a massive change where you'd need the staff in the first place to actually make the move

Answered your own query with this line frankly; we don't have the international presence currently to require specific international managers, let alone general managers. A manager who is doing their job will be available at certain times through the day that overlap with the waking hours of international staff anyway, so realistically there shouldn't be more than a few hours between asking questions and getting a response - I can't see anything more urgent than that coming up in a normal role and it's still a quicker turnaround than you'd get in most office jobs trying to reach a manager

I understand what you mean but I think saying to someone ok you're in charge of international but not actually any departments I think they would be completely lost - having a few things in place, working from seniors would be a better way I think

Speaking as someone who was once given a management role without the actual access rights to do most of the jobs involved with it, I agree completely that calling something management that isn't anything of the sort does no-one any favours. General queries and support can come from seniors or even other base level staff who know their stuff and managers obviously take on that plus being the trusted link to Upstairs, but creating jobs that have fancy names but don't actually do anything basically just turns to nepotism and confusion

[Matt]

Seniors actually have a lot more power and responsibility than the majority of seniors in the last few years have realised... the manager is there to guide ofc but recruitment is soooo crucial to any senior role (and arguably, to any staff member because they should want their department to do well, right?)

I just think that with the AGM roles being quite structured now (as they haven't really been in the past, with specific responsibilities and departments) an Intl AGM would create confusion... or not really have much power in itself


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I agree but I also don't I feel like although they wouldn't have clear-cut responsibilities over departments, they would be overseeing everyone with a "Intl" role. And frequently interacting with all International staff and speaking with the rest of the AGM team as well as the management team. With everyone working towards the same goal I could see it working.

The reason I think an AGM International would work is because they have the power to host, dj and have access to everything. They'd lead the whole international side of it.

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I feel like people are referring back to what we currently have now and are saying it's good enough, which is proven not to work. Managers having to overlap their time with non-gmt isn't the right way to go. They should be able to function somewhat on their own.



I don't want to sound rude, but like I feel this 'debate' is the non-gmt people arguing for the same thing and the (majority of) gmt people saying that change is not needed and we should just 'try' and use what we've got - expecting it to work out by making seniors do more to recruit. I personally don't think that's good enough if proper change is to happen. But hey that's my opinion.

Going to bed/