Florida nightclub shooting

[-:Undertaker:-]

Dan talking about border control, the shooter was born in the USA. How about looking at the real issue which is clearly one involving guns and not borders.

I'm talking broadly about the problems of radical Islam hence why you didn't pick up on what I also said which was about failure to root out extremism in certain areas which is what the Police are currently failing to do as was the case in the Belgian attacks, alongside ripping out the poison that is Wa'ahabist doctrine being taught in schools and mosques across the west. People need to stop being uncomfortable about these topics and start confronting them.

But border controls do certainly help yes. It is madness for liberal western countries to be bringing in huge numbers of people 100% opposed to those values.

again, I'm talking about mass shootings not bombs, stabbings etc despite how devastating those events are

1) Religious extremists or anybody who is calculating and evil enough to do this will always get hold of a gun.
2) There's more than one way to kill people. Whether it's meat cleavers (Lee Rigby) or explosives (7/7).

[Empired]

Ahem (I feel like umbridge) we all appear to be beginning getting a little bit off topic here, jumping from the issue in the OP to border and gun control (which arguably is related to the topic), Paris attacks (which isn't as much) and all sorts of other things? Can we steer back towards the topic at hand here please?

I can't believe how much that number went up though! They were thinking 20 maybe dead at one point and then all of a sudden it was 50 plus injured people

[scottish]

Dan talking about border control, the shooter was born in the USA. How about looking at the real issue which is clearly one involving guns and not borders.

There aren't any terrorists born in the USA though, they've all legally crossed into the US.

Obviously.

[The Don]

I'm talking broadly about the problems of radical Islam hence why you didn't pick up on what I also said which was about failure to root out extremism in certain areas which is what the Police are currently failing to do as was the case in the Belgian attacks, alongside ripping out the poison that is Wa'ahabist doctrine being taught in schools and mosques across the west.

But border controls do certainly help yes. It is madness for liberal western countries to be bringing in huge numbers of people 100% opposed to those values.



1) Religious extremists or anybody who is calculating and evil enough to do this will always get hold of a gun.
2) There's more than one way to kill people. Whether it's meat cleavers (Lee Rigby) or explosives (7/7).

There are countless mass shootings every year in the US, most of which are not linked to islam. Clearly there is a bigger problem over there than simply "islam".

[xxMATTGxx]

Guys, you're all wasting your time arguing with Dan. He's just a **** idiot.

[dbgtz]

Guys, you're all wasting your time arguing with Dan. He's just a **** idiot.

Always a mature way to engage in debate. Shouldn't you be setting a positive example as owner of the site rather than calling other members "**** idiots"?

[xxMATTGxx]

Always a mature way to engage in debate. Shouldn't you be setting a positive example as owner of the site rather than calling other members "**** idiots"?

Nope.

[David]

Guys, you're all wasting your time arguing with Dan. He's just a **** idiot.

<insert essay on personal attacks>
<blames merkel>

[scottish]

It's the polish taking ownership of our fansites.

can't rep tho

[-:Undertaker:-]

Always a mature way to engage in debate. Shouldn't you be setting a positive example as owner of the site rather than calling other members "**** idiots"?

He can't debate.

Dislikes me because I disagree with him haha, on a forum of all places *shock horror".

Even offered a clean slate to him via PM last month asking why make it personal, didn't get a reply so hey ho.

Hi Matthew.

For a while now I have noticed very personal remarks, swearing or even public threats directed at me and this has been going on for months. I understand you may not agree with everything I say or that we do not share the same interests, but I don't for the life of me understand the dislike on a personal level that I get the impression is coming from you.

I argue with Akeam, Saurav, Jen and others and don't seem to have this problem which goes way past any debate/spat and into personality with you. I'm curious to know exactly why you feel this way when I didn't feel any personal dislike until I started having this feeling from your posts directed at me. I just don't understand it and there really is no need for it. I can disagree with you 100pc on various topics but why should we have to let that get personal?

Maybe it has started because you feel it has come from me first, I do not know. But if you are willing, here's the chance to bury the hatchet and accept that we have different personalities but that shouldn't mean we have to go at eachothers throats everytime there's a slight tension. I felt I got along with you fine until maybe 6 or so months ago so what has happened.

So what do you say. Do you want to forget about it and start anew?

Dan.