Does God Exist?

[Ardemax]

I said Christians would disagree. It's a case of how much you believe what you read.



There's no proof the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist.



What proof is there God exists? If you say the Bible, I won't take any post from you seriously ever again . Not to mention; you say a book, half of which is about a man who was supposedly born just over 2000 years ago, is 7000 years old? :rolleyes:

that's a lot of negativity, some un thought out.

there's no proof the tooth fairy doesn't exist? i think there is

im entitled to my own opinion and you're entitled to yours, if you say i believe the bible and you won't take another post of mine seriously, i hate to call you bad for it.

since when was ther bible 7000 years old?

[VirtualG]

that's a lot of negativity, some un thought out.

there's no proof the tooth fairy doesn't exist? i think there is

im entitled to my own opinion and you're entitled to yours, if you say i believe the bible and you won't take another post of mine seriously, i hate to call you bad for it.

since when was ther bible 7000 years old?

How isn't the bible written over 7000 years ago? And that thing about the tooth fairy is just proving my point. How many people believe in the tooth fairy and santa claus when they are children but then they realise one day that it is unrealistic. How can you prove that the tooth fairy doesn't exist, but you still think it's a load of bull, dont you?

[Black_Apalachi]

that's a lot of negativity, some un thought out.

there's no proof the tooth fairy doesn't exist? i think there is

im entitled to my own opinion and you're entitled to yours, if you say i believe the bible and you won't take another post of mine seriously, i hate to call you bad for it.

since when was ther bible 7000 years old?

No, my post was completely thought out, which is a lot more than can be said for the one it was in response to.

Prove that the tooth fairy doesn't exist then?

I didn't say anything about having your own opinion or even believing the Bible. I referred to your point about the Bible being proof. And you're the one who said it was 7000 years old. :S

[VirtualG]

No, my post was completely thought out, which is a lot more than can be said for the one it was in response to.

Prove that the tooth fairy doesn't exist then?

I didn't say anything about having your own opinion or even believing the Bible. I referred to your point about the Bible being proof. And you're the one who said it was 7000 years old. :S

I think he's refering to me as Im the one who said the bible thing (but the tooth fairy was you, and great point btw) But the bible was written 7000 years ago. Shows how much he knows about his own religion.

[Ardemax]

this debate is turning into an arguement

you're not respecting my opinions in anyway shape or form.

if i believe in something, you can't say it's not real?
give me one scientific evidence that God doesn't exist. and none of this "matter" stuff, cos' that's a load of **.

[VirtualG]

this debate is turning into an arguement

you're not respecting my opinions in anyway shape or form.

if i believe in something, you can't say it's not real?
give me one scientific evidence that God doesn't exist. and none of this "matter" stuff, cos' that's a load of **.

My God (is not real) your hypocritical. You are saying that I should respect your beliefs by not saying that God's not real but you are disrespecting my beliefs by saying he is. A debate is a formal arguement, by the way, and do you have any scientific proof that God exists? NO! The fact is you dont. Although we may not be able to "prove it" in YOUR terms, it is quite ovious that a God (which is a spiritual, superior being) does not exist as spirits do not exist as spirits are not energy or matter, therefore they do not exist. How am I not getting through to you?

What you dont understand is if you are going to say something then you have to back it up. And If you can back it up then make sure theres enough "back up" that you can take the crap that comes back at you. If you cant then dont get into a fight. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

[RandomManJay]

I think he's refering to me as Im the one who said the bible thing (but the tooth fairy was you, and great point btw) But the bible was written 7000 years ago. Shows how much he knows about his own religion.

Actually the bible was written roughly 1800-2000 years ago (depending on which section of the bible your looking at, some parts are older than others, some of the earliest recorded ones are around 3500-3700), also the fact that the bible states that the earth is only roughly 4000 years old, I don't really think that the bible was written 3000 years before we supposedly came into existance. Carbon dating and whatnot can also prove this as the original texts and scriptures have been proven to be written around 2000 years ago.

My God (is not real) your hypocritical. You are saying that I should respect your beliefs by not saying that God's not real but you are disrespecting my beliefs by saying he is. A debate is a formal arguement, by the way, and do you have any scientific proof that God exists? NO! The fact is you dont. Although we may not be able to "prove it" in YOUR terms, it is quite ovious that a God (which is a spiritual, superior being) does not exist as spirits do not exist as spirits are not energy or matter, therefore they do not exist. How am I not getting through to you?

What you dont understand is if you are going to say something then you have to back it up. And If you can back it up then make sure theres enough "back up" that you can take the crap that comes back at you. If you cant then dont get into a fight. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

I do agree that you have the right to your own opinion, but you aren't simply stating your opinion, your attempting to discredit Ardemax's which isn't the reason for a debate, you state your own opinion and your own opinion of someone else’s opinion with your knowledge, you don't constantly badger them stating they don't get it and have no proof to justify it, if they don't believe in it, then they don't believe in it, you don't have the right to say they're wrong. There is no proof that god exists, but there isnt any to say that he doesn't, there is evidence that suggests that god doesn't have to exist in order for us or the universe to exist and considering the lack of evidence that god does exist, it is reasonable to assume that he doesn't. You can't use blind science to change someones opinion because science can only prove that this universe didn't require god to come into existance, but it cannot prove without a shadow of a doubt that he doesn't exist.

[VirtualG]

Actually the bible was written roughly 1800-2000 years ago (depending on which section of the bible your looking at, some parts are older than others, some of the earliest recorded ones are around 3500-3700), also the fact that the bible states that the earth is only roughly 4000 years old, I don't really think that the bible was written 3000 years before we supposedly came into existance. Carbon dating and whatnot can also prove this as the original texts and scriptures have been proven to be written around 2000 years ago.



I do agree that you have the right to your own opinion, but you aren't simply stating your opinion, your attempting to discredit Ardemax's which isn't the reason for a debate, you state your own opinion and your own opinion of someone else’s opinion with your knowledge, you don't constantly badger them stating they don't get it and have no proof to justify it, if they don't believe in it, then they don't believe in it, you don't have the right to say they're wrong. There is no proof that god exists, but there isnt any to say that he doesn't, there is evidence that suggests that god doesn't have to exist in order for us or the universe to exist and considering the lack of evidence that god does exist, it is reasonable to assume that he doesn't. You can't use blind science to change someones opinion because science can only prove that this universe didn't require god to come into existance, but it cannot prove without a shadow of a doubt that he doesn't exist.

I was talking about the old testament that was written long before Jesus' time which is actually 7000 years (or older). I wasn't originally bagging ardemax out saying that God dosent exist, if you read my post you may recall that he was saying (in the quote) that I have no right to say that god doesn't exist, which I do, It's my belief, and that he is allowed to have his own opinion, which he is, I never took that away from him, because he believes God exists and I dont, I then stated that if he wants himself to have a right to say that God exists because thats his belief then I have all rights to say God Doesn't exist because thats my belief, sound fair?

And technically, according to dictionary definitions, it is unfeesable and as far as I can see impossible to exist (by the dictionaries definition) as God (if he exists) would be a spirit, but a spirit is neither matter nor energy and something that exists is either matter or energy, since he is neither he doesn't exist (according to the definition of existence, and Isn't that what the debate is about?)

Ohh, and back to the bible part, where are these "original scriptures" When your saying that the bible is only 3400 or something years old I believe your dating back just to moses? http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...&meta=&aq=f&oq= Thta link defines the bible as the collection of christian (including the jewish parts, eg the old testament) sacred writings. If you go way, way back you can find collections of sacred christians writings that were available over 7000 years ago, therefore there was a bible.

Love the sig btw

Edited by iAdam (Forum Super Moderator); Posts merged due to genuine mistake.

[Famish]

I personally do not believe in god, anymore. I used to until i became mature enough to make my own decisions about the world and everything in it.

[SM007H]

Ok, I feel like joining in this debate.

Lets start of by saying;

"PROOF" is irrelevent, God can NOT be proven/does NOT want to be prooven/will NOT be prooven. So if you are asking for proof you are looking in the wrong place. If god gives ANY proof it takes away free will. Anyone who has a little brains will understand this. This is clearly conveyed through out the bible.