The BNP - Good or Bad?

[Robbie]

Reasons why?

Because Skilled Migration should always be welcomed, like the system Australia has. Highly skilled migrants have to pass a points test and English tests and stuff.

And those skilled migrants help Australia immensely. If we shut out all immigrants, the skilled workers from overseas such as I.T workers, doctors etc would be missed immensely.

The unskilled workers, however should be deported and not allowed in the country;

[MrPinkPanther]

UKIP last year gained around 16% of the popular vote, as was shown by opinon polls at the time which had UKIP on 15% to 19%, meanwhile the BNP was on the 5%/6% mark and Labour was on around the same as UKIP which was 15% to 19%. You say sources, well heres another source which shows the opinion polls before the election and as you can quite clearly see, UKIP was not grouped with the 'Others' with only "10% to 12%" of the vote - UKIP got more votes and more of the popular vote than Labour and the Liberal Democrats, hence why it came second in the election.

Once again, European elections and I've explained why they get such a large vote in those. I'm talking about opinion polling as a whole, all of the main and legit "pollers" are listed on the BBC site which clearly shows results.

As for UKIP gaining more votes because of their eurosceptic attitude, well yes thats true because thats a policy and people vote based on policies otherwise we wouldnt have elections. You call me naive for actually telling you what the election figures were

No, I'm calling you naive for thinking European elections are based off of all party policies and not just attitudes towards to Europe etc. In a poll conducted by YouGov which surveyed 32,268 people about European elections only 23% of them said they were voting to change the composition of European parliament. What does that tell you? People are voting for UKIP because they agree with their manifesto or that they are voting for them in protest? The fact is people don't want UKIP in government, they just aren't happy with Europe.

you pretend to yourself that the Liberal Democrats are going to do fantastically from what I remember of that thread. Yeah, here it is your exact words;

"The Liberal Democrats are the ones to watch this election. I can see them becoming a more mainstream party with the possibility of opening up a 3 way election in 2015" - They continue to trial in the polls at the 18% mark and this time around they dont have the advantage of disaffected Tory voters because they are turning to UKIP/BNP.

Ok firstly in regards to "18%", I think its widely regarded that the Liberal Democrats do poorly in the run up to elections and then have a boost actually during the election week where they get media coverage. Secondly I said that at a time when it looked likely that we would have a 3 way tv debate which would have given the liberal democrat large gains. Thirdly they are becoming a more mainstream party and I only said "possibility" to the 2015 bit. Finally I still think they will become even more mainstream in 2015 if they hold the balance of power after this election in the event of a hung parliament which even you cant deny looks likely.

[Anamations]

Looooooool , Dont get me started on this topic because ill not leave my computer lmao,

I dont see how anyone can think the BNP are good unless there racist and disgriminaters!

[-:Undertaker:-]

Doesn't surprises me,

Never thought strongly about BNP that much till this happened:
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=630094

Government obvs dont care about us, we gonna be turning in to some Islam country pretty soon if it not already happened.

It is the bad immigrants I want to keep out and as do most other people, why would we want to keep genuinely good people out who will contribue to this country?

Once again, European elections and I've explained why they get such a large vote in those. I'm talking about opinion polling as a whole, all of the main and legit "pollers" are listed on the BBC site which clearly shows results.

The main opinion polls, parties such as UKIP and the BNP score lower because as I said before, people when asked the question; who would you vote in a General Election? - they will say one of the main parties because they are well aware of the FPTP system and know that if they do not vote the right party (for example my parents voting the Liberal Democrats) then the opposition party will get in (Labour in my case). That is why in a PR election, the votes are far more varied across the board and that would be repeated in a General Election if it was conduced in PR.

No, I'm calling you naive for thinking European elections are based off of all party policies and not just attitudes towards to Europe etc. In a poll conducted by YouGov which surveyed 32,268 people about European elections only 23% of them said they were voting to change the composition of European parliament. What does that tell you? People are voting for UKIP because they agree with their manifesto or that they are voting for them in protest? The fact is people don't want UKIP in government, they just aren't happy with Europe.

The main issue people vote for UKIP is the idea of 'pulling out of Europe', just like the traditional and main reason given for voting Labour is 'fairness and equality' and the main reason given for the Tories is 'lower taxes'. I know I have explained the UKIP manifesto to my friends who arent even interested in politics and they actually agree with it. My friends mum, always voted Conservative but voted UKIP because she liked their policies as a whole rather than just one issue and the same goes for her mother aswell. To top this off, this if Liverpool we are talking about aswell which was the home of the militants!

You ask any Tory voters (majority of England) and if you presented UKIP policies to them and Conservative policies to them, you'd find they are far more for the UKIP polcies than the Conservative policies. Hence why UKIP cost the Conservatives an estimated 20 - 30 seats in 2005, even with a right-wing leader. That tells you, the more UKIP get out their message the more they will grow. People could of chosen the BNP or other parties in that election, but they didnt because the majority of people I would guess do not want industry re-nationalised and so on.

Ok firstly in regards to "18%", I think its widely regarded that the Liberal Democrats do poorly in the run up to elections and then have a boost actually during the election week where they get media coverage. Secondly I said that at a time when it looked likely that we would have a 3 way tv debate which would have given the liberal democrat large gains. Thirdly they are becoming a more mainstream party and I only said "possibility" to the 2015 bit. Finally I still think they will become even more mainstream in 2015 if they hold the balance of power after this election in the event of a hung parliament which even you cant deny looks likely.

As I said before, if we are talking about protest votes then the Liberal Democrats are a prime example although are losing their influence thanks to the rise of the BNP & UKIP. Traditionally, Conservative voters who are disillusioned with the Tory party would vote for the Liberal Democrats and the same for disillusioned Labour voters. This is slowly starting to change, now i'm not saying they'll be making massive gains but it is going to split the vote. The right is on the rise again and when people are faced with a choice betweenCall Me Dave and Gordon Clown - they just do not know what to do because theres very little difference between them, that coupled with the fact that nobody genuinely believes in the Liberal Democrats left-wing policies such as yet more higher taxes.

[Black_Apalachi]

I think this country should make voting a legal requirement. In Australia, for example, by law you have to vote in all elections. Then we'd get a true voice of the people.

Not at all. If people are forced to vote, then it's just a random choice which is no good to anybody. It's better to have a decision made fairly based on the views of those who care enough to bother voting than to have it influenced due to random chance caused by people who don't care either way.