EU Referendum Megathread (Brexit)

[The Don]

@The Don;

I'm sorry but it is true. There's a real disconnect between the working class of this country and the media/political elite. No matter how many times people register how their towns are struggling to cope with a mass influx of people, the politicians either fob us off as racists or come up with some flim flam about investing more or austerity.

As a young guy I would like to buy a house someday, a decent sized house. When immigration is running at 300,000+ a year it is pricing me out of the market.

The same type of generalization you're making when you claim everyone backing remain is an elite from Islington.
Almost half the population back remain in the polls. Half the population. Don't paint us all with the same brush to score cheap points or as some lame attempt to validate your "concerns" over immigration as if you're the little-man who is affected by it whilst we peer down at you cackling from our ivory towers.

You've already admitted why you really want Brexit, and the reason wasn't immigration. You can feign concern all you want, but I don't buy it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

@The Don;

I guarantee that if we vote to Leave, within six months afterwards a very large majority will have swung to the Leave side. There's a lot of people out there who have/are voting Remain who absolutely want out and feel no love towards the European Union, but who are sadly swayed by the scaremongering telling them they're all going to lose their jobs. If we do Leave and absolutely nothing happens, the scaremongering bs will look laughable in the light of day.

It's like Norway. They narrowly rejected the EU in the 1990s, and now opinion polls show them 70%+ against joining the EU. It's voter stockholm syndrome.

Would we vote to join the EU now if we were outside with Norway, Switzerland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand? Not a chance.

[The Don]

@-:Undertaker:-;
Well I disagree with your speculation.

The polls at the moment aren't looking too promising for the leave campaign, a 1-2% lead isn't much, especially with undecided's tending to vote in favour of the status quo.

[FlyingJesus]

Just gonna leave this tasty little quote from Juncker with regards to the whole "better to stay so we can renegotiate from within" argument:

British voters have to know that there will be no kind of renegotiation. We have concluded a deal with the prime minister. He got the maximum he could receive and we gave the maximum we could give. So there will be no renegotiation, not on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned.

[The Don]

Just gonna leave this tasty little quote from Juncker with regards to the whole "better to stay so we can renegotiate from within" argument:

"Theres a difference between reforming the EU and Cameron extracting concessions solely for the UK's benefit. The EU is also more than just Juncker too."

[-:Undertaker:-]

"Theres a difference between reforming the EU and Cameron extracting concessions solely for the UK's benefit. The EU is also more than just Juncker too."

They've said no reform. No, non, nein!

Cameron's renegotiation was a joke. Once we've voted Remain what can we then say? That we'll Leave? They're going to take us for the ride of our lives.

[The Don]

They've said no reform. No, non, nein!

Cameron's renegotiation was a joke. Once we've voted Remain what can we then say? That we'll Leave? They're going to take us for the ride of our lives.

It's like you didn't read a word of the post you quoted.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It's like you didn't read a word of the post you quoted.

Oh I read it alright.

I love it when people talk about reform of the EU, as they have of the last 40+ years. Reform what exactly and go about reforming it how? *deathly silence*

If we couldn't secure not one meaningful reform with the threat of leaving, we're not going to secure anything inside. Indeed the opposite is true, that, since [if] we decided to stay they then know that there's nothing Britain can really do. We can't say we'll Leave because we voted Remain. Then what?

[The Don]

Oh I read it alright.

I love it when people talk about reform of the EU, as they have of the last 40+ years. Reform what exactly and go about reforming it how? *deathly silence*

If we couldn't secure not one meaningful reform with the threat of leaving, we're not going to secure anything inside. Indeed the opposite is true, that, since [if] we decided to stay they then know that there's nothing Britain can really do. We can't say we'll Leave because we voted Remain. Then what?

We've now got an exemption from further political union. You can make up stuff all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

[-:Undertaker:-]

We've now got an exemption from further political union. You can make up stuff all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

No we have not.

The treaties have not been amended so the ECJ will not interpret EU law like that. What Mr Cameron says to us vs the legality of the treaties are two entirely different things. We were told all this garbage back in 1975. It's the same dishonesty of an industrial-scale spewing out once again.

Had Britain secured an opt-out from the ECU treaty clause then the treaties would have been amended or we'd have joined the EEA.