EU Referendum Megathread (Brexit)

[The Don]

No we have not.

The treaties have not been amended so the ECJ will not interpret EU law like that. What Mr Cameron says to us vs the legality of the treaties are two entirely different things. We were told all this garbage back in 1975. It's the same dishonesty of an industrial-scale spewing out once again.

Had Britain secured an opt-out from ECU then the treaties would have been amended or we'd have joined the EEA.

They haven't been amended yet, they are guaranteed to us though. As Cameron said, they are waiting until after the vote to update any treaties.

[The Don]

The British Flag on display in Warsaw, Poland in support of remain.

[-:Undertaker:-]

They haven't been amended yet, they are guaranteed to us though. As Cameron said, they are waiting until after the vote to update any treaties.

Hahaha okay then. A cast-iron guarantee at that I bet.

The British Flag on display in Warsaw, Poland in support of remain.

Poland for sure don't want us to Leave. Who would step in to replace the money milk cow of Europe if Britain left?

We're just one big cash cow for them all. Next up for billions in British taxpayer funds? Albania! Serbia! Montenegro! Turkey!

[FlyingJesus]

They haven't been amended yet, they are guaranteed to us though. As Cameron said, they are waiting until after the vote to update any treaties.

Are these the treaties that Juncker said will not be renegotiated at all ever

[The Don]

Are these the treaties that Juncker said will not be renegotiated at all ever

Did you not even read what you quoted? "We have concluded a deal with the prime minister. He got the maximum he could receive and we gave the maximum we could give. So there will be no renegotiation, not on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned."
Clearly Juncker here is saying the EU is going to honor the deal cameron struck but there won't be any further deals which will modify EU treaties. The treaties haven't been modified yet to include Britain's opt-out from any further political integration because they are waiting until after the referendum incase it's not necessary.

[-:Undertaker:-]

If this Juncker bloke, being a politician, doesn't do what he promises then... can I vote him out?

[FlyingJesus]

Did you not even read what you quoted? "We have concluded a deal with the prime minister. He got the maximum he could receive and we gave the maximum we could give. So there will be no renegotiation, not on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned."
Clearly Juncker here is saying the EU is going to honor the deal cameron struck but there won't be any further deals which will modify EU treaties. The treaties haven't been modified yet to include Britain's opt-out from any further political integration because they are waiting until after the referendum incase it's not necessary.

Which part of "nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned" is difficult to understand here? The treaties haven't been modified and Juncker's saying they won't be

[The Don]

Which part of "nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned" is difficult to understand here? The treaties haven't been modified and Juncker's saying they won't be

I'm pretty sure he's saying there won't be further treaty negotiations, not that the treaties won't be updated to reflect cameron's deal. They would have to be otherwise the deal wouldn't be official?

[FlyingJesus]

That's great noise and all but it doesn't change the fact that we'll have no further power to renegotiate a single thing or do the whole "change from within" thing that has (apart from calling everyone Hitler and pretending that Farage is going to run the country if we leave) been one of the biggest parts of the Remain campaign

But yeah also the deal isn't official, they could easily wait until we're stuck with them and say "jk lol here's what you have to do now" the same way they did previously when we were promised that the amounts paid into the EU from here wouldn't increase

[The Don]

That's great noise and all but it doesn't change the fact that we'll have no further power to renegotiate a single thing or do the whole "change from within" thing that has (apart from calling everyone Hitler and pretending that Farage is going to run the country if we leave) been one of the biggest parts of the Remain campaign

renegotiate != reform

Juncker is very clearly explaining that the UK won’t be able to further negotiate it’s special status in Europe, not that there’s no possibility to reform the EU through new legislation as that’s literally the very nature of a parliament passing new laws.

But yeah also the deal isn't official, they could easily wait until we're stuck with them and say "jk lol here's what you have to do now" the same way they did previously when we were promised that the amounts paid into the EU from here wouldn't increase

Ah, baseless conjecture. Don’t you usually criticize Dan for these types of comments? They could turn around tomorrow and make Juncker the supreme leader of Europe . They won’t do either of those things as it would destroy any credibility they have in the public’s eye.