Animal testing

[asher_]

Plants don't exhibit any behaviour that indicates any form of consciousness. Also to bring back entor's point, an animal's survival depends on reacting to situations which may cause pain and suffering, plants however cannot react to these situations such as changing their position incase of a forest fire, so it's unlikely plants would develop the ability to feel pain when it has no survival advantage.

[splatttt]

I totally disagree with it. Animals have feelings too. And as for testing on guinea pigs i think its sick. they gave a cancer cure drug thingy to it and it died a painfull death =[[

REALLY SICK

[RedStratocas]

I totally disagree with it. Animals have feelings too. And as for testing on guinea pigs i think its sick. they gave a cancer cure drug thingy to it and it died a painfull death =[[

REALLY SICK

Id rather them kill a guinea pigs and cure cancer to be honest. Things like cosmetics and non-needed things on animals is cruel, but testing lab rats on cures for cancer I think is fine.

And we'll have to keep doing it UNTIL BUSH ALLOWS STEM CELL RESEARCH!. I am seriously ticked that he vetoed that damn bill. I want him SPECIFICALLY to get cancer and die.

[splatttt]

i understand what your saying...
I mean bush is stupid ^_^

[RedStratocas]

i understand what your saying...
I mean bush is stupid ^_^

Ugh, he thinks embrios are people.

[splatttt]

Hes just really annoying..

Hw wouldnt know how to do things right if it smacked him in the face

[RedStratocas]

Hes just really annoying..

Hw wouldnt know how to do things right if it smacked him in the face

I dont hate him because he's annoying or because his accent is funny or because he cant pronounce a lot of words. I hate him for other reasons like political issues

[splatttt]

Hahha thats me out then im no good with politics =]]

[FlyingJesus]

He can't allow stem cell research at a time like this, there are far too many hardline Christians (himself included) that believe in sanctity of life. It's not going to happen any time soon either, things are going the opposite way in terms of how pregnancies and such are controlled, with abortion becoming illegalised again in parts of America.

Plants don't exhibit any behaviour that indicates any form of consciousness.

I take it then that you are for the euthanasia of people in a vegetative state?

if they are killed improperly, and in a lot of cases they are, the animal will die a slow, distressing and painful death

The point of the argument we are placing however, is that pain doesn't mean anything to animals. Squealing, jerky movements, struggles, they're all part of what's absolutely natural, even plants have small reactions like this (they're just very slow and basic, such as moving to feed - facing the sun), it doesn't mean real, conscious pain. What it means is that the animal's nerves sense something harmful to their existence, and instinctively tries to get away. Unless you abuse and abuse an animal over and over, you can't teach it to stay still when it's getting hurt, because they don't understand it and can only act naturally. Humans however register what's going on, and can choose what to do about it. This difference means that we can understand pain rather than simply act entirely by reflex actions.

PS: The plant thing is a joke, I use it to show how little I care about animal rights.

[Virgin Mary]

Is not the same true of a baby?