My view on the situation

[Jazza]

Explains a lot

[Representative]

I am a current forum member however I will be using this account to get my opinions across as I'm sure I would be banned for them (I'm pretty sure they'll try and find out who this is and ban me anyway).

Hello,

I think it is useful if I give my point of view on all the commotion that we have seen on this forum concerning ---MAD--- and some staff leaving. Maybe I should have done that before, but I am busy with work and don't have much time to read and post on the forum.

ABOUT THE COMPLAINTS

It all started with a thread by some of the forum staff together, where they complained about ---MAD--- . As far as I have seen there are in general three complaints about ---MAD--- .
1) He is arrogant and unfriendly towards others.
2) The forum staff are not involved in the running of the forum and feel they are run like a dictatorship.
3) He abuses his powers.

I have looked into 3). A few times ---MAD--- was accused of deleting a thread or changing something, but we have logs of all changes made on the forum. And after looking into it all the accusations turned out false. So this is clearly not true.

Well I'd certainly trust the logs but it would be foolish to avoid thinking the fact that MAD could change them if he really needed to.

Number 2) is probably true, as we don't involve the forum staff into the decision making much. ---MAD--- always talks things over with 8Freak8 , Seacat and me, and we almost never ask an Assistant Forum Manager or Super Moderator for their opinion.
Although I think it works fine the way it is now, I also understand that it is nice for the moderators if any changes are first discussed with them also. This way they feel more involved and appreciated. We will try to do this from now on, also by having regular forum meetings with all forum staff to discuss anything related to the forum.

All forum staff? I don't think so: I've aked forum staff and they haven't been asked their opinons. I think you mean 'mettings with forum moderation staff' whether this is an error or you were emelishing the truth remains to be seen but you're certainly loosing my confidence quickly.

About 1) this is very hard to judge for me, as I never noticed that myself. Also I haven't received any concrete examples of for example ---MAD--- being rude in a PM to somebody on the forum.
But after talking to a few people it seems they feel ---MAD--- doesn't show much respect towards the staff working for them, or doesn't show that he appreciates them. I have discussed this with ---MAD--- , and allthough it is hard for us to understand the exact problem, he will do this best to be more friendly and appreciating to his staff. I think it is important that people give concrete examples to me or ---MAD--- then he can work on it to improve things.

I think you have explained the problem there but you have failed to do anything about it. MAD is clearly a control-freak and a little sit down between colleagues isn't going to do anything to solve that. The only real solution I can think of is keeping a real close eye on him, monitoring PMs and posts in all forums.

ABOUT STAFF LEAVING

We have staff rules that say what is allowed and what not, mainly to prevent staff arguing among themself. One of the most important rules is that it is not allowed to complain about another staff member in a post. In stead, if you have a problem with something, you have to contact a Manager and discuss it with the Manager privately, so that he can do something about it.

MAD was their manager and I'm sure nothing would be done about it if they did contact him and the thread was clearly a democratic issue and not something one person could do alone although I'm sure the outcome would be the same.

Therefore the thread that started everything was not allowed, and removed by ---MAD--- . For some reason Catzsy found it then necessary to move the thread back, even though it seems she knew ---MAD--- , her manager, had removed it. This is clearly something we cannot accept from our staff, and after this it wouldn't be possible for ---MAD--- to work with Catzsy anymore, if she not only doesn't listen to him, but also goes against his actions. So after ---MAD--- , Seacat and me discussed this we desided we had to fire Catzsy. Note that we decided to not take action to the thread itself, which was also not allowed, but signed by a lot of forum staff.

As nearly everyone has seen the threwad in question now I think we can safely assume it was not rude in any way or directed as a personal insult to MAD. I think the fact that MAD moved the thread to 'Unacceptable Posts / Evidence' in the first place showed that he was power-hungry, he tried to stop people questioning his motives and Catzsy was clearly sick of this which is why (presumably) she moved it back, I'm also confident this is why Dan re-made the thread. I notice you didn't consult nvrspk4 about the issue which really shows something about how Habbox is run. No doubt the reason you didn't ask him is you knew or presumed he wouldn't agree with your decision.

The same day Dan announced that he quit, since he didn't agree with Catzsy being fired. However already the next day he told me that he regretted his decision, and wanted to stay on as Super Moderator. I told him that he had to ask ---MAD--- about that, and after ---MAD--- was ok with it, he was rehired. But when Seacat found out about this, he decided he didn't trust Dan anymore. He was worried that Dan might have come back to abuse his rights, as it was weird how he suddenly changed his mind, and also seems to be good friends with Catzsy. So Seacat decided to remove Dan . It is quite possible that Dan had no bad intentions when he came back, but Seacat just felt he didn't want to risk it in case Dan would abuse his powers and mess up the forum.

As for Dan, Seacat was clearly wrong on this issue, Dan had been staff for countless years and there was no evidence to suggest he would do anything bad after returning. Seacat should definately be spoken to about this issue to avoid such prejudices in the future.

More recently the moderator Lµke was fired by ---MAD--- because he felt he couldn't trust him anymore, and that Lµke's attitude was just bad. Lµke had made it clear that he wanted ---MAD--- to leave, and that he might resign himself if ---MAD--- didn't.

Its odd that you think Lµke's attitude was bad especially in a thread specifically about the attitude and behaviour of a person in a great deal of power who you took no action against whatsoever. Before you start firing staff for voicing their opinions you should deal with the problem they are complaining about.

WHAT NOW?

Basically I think it's important that we try to learn from the complaints, by getting forum staff more involved with making decisions about how the forum is run, and by ---MAD--- improving his attitude towards his staff.
I think that if Catzsy wants to return at some point, and we (the general management) feel she can still be trusted, in that for example she wouldn't abuse her powers and mess up the forum, she can come back as Super Moderator, as long as it is ok with the Forum Manager (whoever that is at that time).

There it is again; trust, many people have expressed their distrust of MAD and that is the one issue you haven't dealt with at all. The only untrustworthy person on the forum is MAD himself, he has been rude in the past although you conveniently couldn't find any proof of it.

Thanks

Think about it

[Baving]

You didn't have logs of Baving abusing his powers yet you still fired him because he got acused

I know they didn't have anything to go by however I still got removed. I emailed Sierk a while ago about possibly returning, he discussed it with 8Freak8 and they agreed. Sierk then discussed it with MAD who said no (No idea why..), so I am awaiting Sierk to rediscuss it with MAD to get an opinion with the correct facts. I got removed about a year ago, I don't see any harm I have to cause.

[Barkseh2131]

I know they didn't have anything to go by however I still got removed. I emailed Sierk a while ago about possibly returning, he discussed it with 8Freak8 and they agreed. Sierk then discussed it with MAD who said no (No idea why..), so I am awaiting Sierk to rediscuss it with MAD to get an opinion with the correct facts. I got removed about a year ago, I don't see any harm I have to cause.

It's Habbox's loss if you ask me :]

[The Professor]

My original comment was going to be "Well, sierk seems to have had the last word on this" but after reading some posts its clear some things seem to have been ignored, such as the actions of Seacat being against policy. There are a couple of days left in this argument yet.

What I hope comes of all this is that Dan and Catszy are reinstated and the admins work more closely with staff and members. But I may be living on an extremely high cloud there.

We'll see.

[DiscoPat]

Firstly, I'd like to say that this thread should've been made a bit earlier but still it is very good. It is very easy for people to get upset and act irrationally without knowing the full details. There are two sides to every story.

I spoke out against ---MAD--- and how I felt and I have to admit I was wrong. He is a good manager and I think he has done good for the forum. I mean, look at the changes.

Suck up period over, I think that we can work on improving staff-mangement relations a little but I have to say it must be hard for
---MAD---. As Articles Manager I was never in the forefront of any controversy or any anger but jobs like Forum Manager and HxHD Manager make you central to it because they are the most major roles in Habbox. Therefore, it is easy to judge what you would do and how you would act but until you are in that situation, you cannot judge.

I hope this thread cleared a few things up and maybe put away some of the anger towards Habbox Management. I am sad to see good Smods go and I wish to one day see their return.

On the issue of 'trust' well that is a mixed one. Obviously, the moderator's problems with ---MAD--- had been brewing for sometime yet nobody had abused their powers. Therefore, I do not see why you can no longer 'trust' the MODs and SMODs to behave as they did previous. Afterall, their problem was with their manager, not with the forum.

That's my input.

So obvious your a writer lol,

[Hecktix]

This needed posting to be honest.
If ---MAD--- does act upon what is said I think it will be ok.

However I don't think Rosie will return, nor do I think she should, unless of course you think you should be slightly nicer and offer her AFM - Would compensate her.

I think that it's good that you have listened to the complaints made about MAD, however I think it is a little late. If you had looked into it the moment the thread was posted (dont say you were busy because you vist habbox daily, freak or nvrspk could have easily pointed it out) then this whole situation could have been avoided, and this poor publicity would never have happened.

Unfortunately, it did happen, and I think this is one step forward in apologising publically to the forum.

I think now we need a proper explanation from ---MAD---, as we've all heard Rosie's story. I would like to hear MAD's response to this thread, which is a little more in depth about the situation, and not just "this is a good post".

[Ostinato]

Rofl at least we can all just get over it now... :rolleyes:

[GommeInc]

I am a current forum member however I will be using this account to get my opinions across as I'm sure I would be banned for them (I'm pretty sure they'll try and find out who this is and ban me anyway).



Think about it

Your post is annoying to quote from, because you put it in a quote, but this part below is stupid:

As nearly everyone has seen the threwad in question now I think we can safely assume it was not rude in any way or directed as a personal insult to MAD.
You're just a member and so am I, we both do not know the rule for staff nor know what was in the thread.

I think the fact that MAD moved the thread to 'Unacceptable Posts / Evidence' in the first place showed that he was power-hungry, he tried to stop people questioning his motives and Catzsy was clearly sick of this which is why (presumably) she moved it back, I'm also confident this is why Dan re-made the thread.
As stated, the Staff rules say it is not allowed to add posts/threads that will cause bickering amongst members. Just because the posts/threads were directed at MAD, does not mean he cannot remove the thread because it is about him, he has to make sure the rules are enforced, and that is what he did "/

I notice you didn't consult nvrspk4 about the issue which really shows something about how Habbox is run. No doubt the reason you didn't ask him is you knew or presumed he wouldn't agree with your decision.
Sierk is Habbox Owner? And nvrspk4 job isn't strictly related to the issue? Sierk has control over all staff, thus he doesn't aexactly care about someone lower than him and their decision "/

Also, another thing, you do realise if they do hate your post, they could just search IPs and e-mail addresses etc which link you to another member?

[le harry]

Cleared alot up.

Thanks Sierk & MAD.