Brown refuses snap election and admits Labour would lose

[UKIP]

so you are saying the unemployment rates have nothing to do with her?

Actually I said the opposite, I stated that her economic reform of industry led to unemployment. In essence you don't even know why you hate her, you can't reply to what I wrote can you? - because you know its right.

[clueless]

then how exactly can she have been good?

[Immenseman]

i dont like her because my step-mum doesn't.

[UKIP]

then how exactly can she have been good?

I cannot actually believe your ignorance here, I listed in my post not long ago, which you mostly ignored, reasons why Thatcher was good for this country, how she saved this country from economic oblivion. I have listed why her economic reforms were nessacery, so ask yourself once you have read my points properly, would you rather have those circumstances that we had in the 1970's, or do you think unemployment statistics are more important than the countrys health on the whole, I know what everyone else would pick, hence why she was elected to government in 1979.

I also listed earlier to someone else why Gordon Browns policies and actions have failed. It seems you just want to lead me away from them points more and more, so here, I shall post yet again and maybe, just maybe, we'll get a decent discussion out of you instead of one-liners.

In a short response to your question, considering she gave millions the first chance to buy their own homes, put the country on footing to become one of the best, booming economics in Europe, stopped postwar decline, destroyed the corrupt and poisenous unions, closed dying industry which was virtually making us bankrupt and made sure we would never have the circumstances for a potential military coup again because the country was, before her term in office, becoming so bad.

Not only that but she restored national pride, she saved the Falklands from being simply taken by the Argentines and made the United Kingdom proud once again.

Unemployment isn't economics, if you knew half the story you would know that unemployment was high because old industry had to be sorted and closed, and in time it takes to create new jobs, which led to the recent boom along with the rest of the world.

In the 1970's we had a government controlled by the socialist, even communist unions, a military in serious decline, a economy in dangerous collapse, we had to appeal to the IMF just to keep going, we had dead bodies rotting in the morgues, garbage on the streets, strike after strike as the unions whipped up hate and militantism in support of themselves and we had a mass of younger people actually leaving this country for a better life elsewhere, as it genuinely looked as though the United Kingdom would become a third world country.

If you can't see that, then it must mean you believe in the socialist hate that was whipped up in mostly the North and Scotland against Thatcher by the unions, anyone who thinks decent taxpayers and people should suffer to keep a old dying industry alive is selfish and arrogant above all else.

She encouraged individualism and that is what had made this country have one of the biggest booms in the world over the past fifteen years, those who hate her have either been brought up to hate her, have no understanding of economics or enjoy seeing this country decline.

[clueless]

okay yeah she did a few good things and arguebly left the uk in a better state than how it was before but you cant deny that she led us to the money crazed society we are today. she didnt care for the unemployed or lower classes and a perfect example of this is the poll tax and she basically destroyed industries such as mining that people depended on.

[UKIP]

You would rather poverty than wealth and prosperity? - you try living in socialist countrys/former socialist countries like North Korea, Soviet Union and the Peoples Republic of China under Chairman Mao and then come back and tell me you think money isn't important to people, because i'm sure the citzens of them countrys would all tell you they would gladly swap lives with you.

She did care for the unemployed and lower classes, hence why she allowed them to buy their own houses, the only chance they had ever got close to, or had, of buying their own home. You are only saying that because you have been brought up to believe she was like that, she was a daughter of a greengroucer, not like a lot of politicians who are brought up on a country estate.

The mines I have explained earlier on, if its a choice between keeping some mines open which were not making any money and were infact making a loss, making the country bankrupt and ruining the economy or having everyone pay to keep these dying industries open which contributed absolutley nothing to this country, which would you choose?. I have explained before, a service which isn't making money and is a great burden, that isn't vital should be cut.

Poll tax made taxing more fair as there were a lot of inequalities in the taxing system, Thatcher believed in paying for yourself and not for others, below is an example of how the Poll tax made taxing fairer;

Before poll tax, if you were living in your friends house, your friend would have to pay the tax for all people living in that house - that isn't fair, why should one person be taxed for everyone else, as everyone uses council services.

After poll tax, it ment that each person paid for themselves, individually.

These examples show you haven't a clue what your on about and makes me believe, even more so, that your just throwing out what you have heard others around you say, rather than actually thinking about the subject as I did.

[clueless]

i dont htink you have the right to patronise me and act as if i know nothing on the topic, my parents were both victims of her evil ways and the bad decisions she made throughout her time which benifited upper classes but not the lower classes. you obviously have very set views on her and that might be to do with your position of wealth who knows but for me i know all the facts there is to know and have made my judgement. im too tired to debate back for now and anyway this has gone completely off topic. im sure lots will agree with me that she was no good for the country but lots will agree with you that she was, a matter of opinion and dependant on your status.

[UKIP]

i dont htink you have the right to patronise me and act as if i know nothing on the topic, my parents were both victims of her evil ways and the bad decisions she made throughout her time which benifited upper classes but not the lower classes. you obviously have very set views on her and that might be to do with your position of wealth who knows but for me i know all the facts there is to know and have made my judgement. im too tired to debate back for now and anyway this has gone completely off topic. im sure lots will agree with me that she was no good for the country but lots will agree with you that she was, a matter of opinion and dependant on your status.

I can't believe what i'm hearing here, despite all the examples I gave you can still not provide any answers or replys to them which shows you were brought up to believe this.

I'm not wealthy, i'm from Liverpool which is often painted as a victim of Thatcherism, however I looked into the whole story myself and it was infact not Thatcher, but the unions and militant communists/socialists who gave my city its bad reputation.

You say you know facts but you have given none, and you have not even given opinion on my facts which shows you entered this discussion with the intention of me replying to your "thatcher was evil" statements with "thatcher was good" statements, you got that very wrong.

I gave numerous examples of how she benefitted the poor more so than any other government in modern history yet you have chosen to ignore this, like you have chosen to ignore all of this discussion.

Next time your going to enter a discussion on something and start throwing around words like evil and claming she was bad for the economy, maybe actually get together some idea of what the discussion is about, instead of making it up as you go along.