UAF V BNP at the BBC Television Centre ahead of Question Time

[Black_Apalachi]

As well as what Dan is saying;

That is funny.
You think Labour are racist, well that's deffo a new one.

They don't have the right not to believe the holocaust, or they do, but it's against the law (well in germany + france).

We fought Hitler indeed, but to let another facist party in politics is beyond me.

I'm pretty sure if something is illegal, your right to do/say it are taken away, by definition.

[Ardemax]

As well as what Dan is saying;



I'm pretty sure if something is illegal, your right to do/say it are taken away, by definition.

yes that's correct?

[BlueTango]

It's not against the law to believe that the holocaust didn't happen - it's not against the law to believe anything

[Ardemax]

It's not against the law to believe that the holocaust didn't happen - it's not against the law to believe anything

it is in france and germany?

[Black_Apalachi]

yes that's correct?

Well you contradicted yourself lol

[Ardemax]

Well you contradicted yourself lol

how lol

[Fez]

While I believe in free speech and all the democracy malarkey, what happened on Question Time was not Question Time. It was a straight all out attack on the BNP and at the end of it, I felt sorry for them. Griffin's points about the middle-east are some of the best I've heard in a long time.

Also, I laugh at you guys arguing over whether denying the holocaust is a crime or not. In the end, it's offensive. Personally, I've seen enough evidence to know it took place and I just don't think it's an opinion to deny such an event.

I like Undertaker's comparison to 9/11, and all the conspiracy theories, but we have to be aware that 2000 people died in the 9/11 attacks and over 15 million died in the holocaust. Let's also be frank here, if you say that the 9/11 attacks were a government plot, to an American, they would probably respect your opinion. They might disagree with it, but you'll still agree yourself that the loss of life is something to remember. But if you deny the holocaust then you are really attacking the victims of that event and in my books, that's a crime.

[Wig44.]

Argumentum ad hominem..
This was an ad hominem arguement, quite a lot of Griffin's ideas were completely acceptable in my eyes, possibly better policies than the ones we have in place. People argued against him because it was HIM, not because of his ideas. Granted some of the things he said were totally unacceptable but not all of them. He needs to tone down his ideas on immigrants and LGBTs but other than that I like the ideas. For instance: Turn away asylum-seekers who cross other safe countries to reach the UK - that is something that needs to be happening and isn't happening now. He is someone who needs to adapt and change his views on non-white/foreign citizens in the UK and not generalize in the need to have most of them deported, same with LGBTs, he needs to be more accepting of them. However the BNP otherwise have some excellent policies and if they changed what I said above I would vote for them. Griffin and the BNP have been demonized by politicians and the media in my eyes and that is oppression in the highest form. The Conservatives would tear down the NHS. Don't tell me you wouldn't be affected very negatively by that, so why haven't they been demonized.

[Ardemax]

yeah i hear what you're saying, and wig i guess it's his reputation that does it for him

[Wig44.]

yeah i hear what you're saying, and wig i guess it's his reputation that does it for him

He earned that reputation but still.. when politicians drag the public into an ad hominem argument against someone who has won seats because they want to oppress the person you have to wonder..