[NOT HAPPY!] Health Form Bill Passed

[Hecktix]

I laugh at you talking about healthcare as a benefit.

Yes, that's it, the ability to live is a benefit, not a right or anything...

[GommeInc]

The NHS is reeked with problems I would never go with them. You get the lowest quality care, because your just another number and statistic in the NHS, whereas private they need your business so they care for you. Which is why I prefer it. Why not put money towards plans to regenerate other things like Internet speeds for one, or trains etc.. Money is needed there more than a healthcare system which fails

That's a pretty blind opinion... The NHS does more good than bad. All healthcare systems around the world have bad things about them, some countries more so than others. You're not one of these people that reads the newspaper and assumes one bad thing means there's no hope? Private healthcare sponges off the NHS anyway, BUPA being the main culprit.

EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread. You're with BUPA? Lol. Most of what BUPA does is funded or aided by the NHS - they barely own anything and all major operations have to be done by the NHS. The only good BUPA are there for is "cosmetic"surgery - small ops like knees, toes, jaws... Key hole stuff. Major ops have to be forwarded to the NHS, and the after care is also done by the NHS. BUPA, for example, do not do accidents and emergency, waste of time.

[jrh2002]

Was born in the USA, family live there. And Health Care is very expensive, why should people who work hard pay for people's health care when all they do is sit on their lazy butts and do nothing to help the economy.

I wonder if America will get health tourists like the UK who roll up and get operations on credit only never pay their bill......... If you dont pay health care you can make one off payments for any treatment needed. Obama seems to have really dropped down in popularity so suppose getting this one thing done might help pick him up a bit.

I am more on to the UK here but why should people who work hard and pay taxes contribute to the great unwashed to get it all for free? Why should people who have worked all their lives and paid for their own home be forced to sell it if they need care when yet again the people with a life on benefits get it for free? Why should people who have savings etc be forced to pay this new 20k death tax when yet again the benefit scroungers dont have to pay a penny. What incentive is there to work hard in life when you just get penalised and also expected to pay for the idles scum. Yes i know a minority of people need help and fully support that but theres a majority who use benefits as though its their careers. Look at the amount of disabled scooters given out to the obese when really these fat slobs should be bought a treadmill instead if anything at all. We should be able to opt out of paying National Insurance or a percentage of it if we sort our own healthcare. Lots of countries abroad refuse to treat you if you cant pay before and I fully support that If they drop dead then their free loading waste of space organs can be used on the people who need it and work hard to PAY for the lazy wasters. We should stop child support etc and if you have a kid you must be able to afford it and if not then your kid gets taken off you and put up for adoption The country is falling apart with lazy baby farming single mothers who get everything for free and the drug addicts/drunks who we must feel sorry for because the poor people have had a hard life. I saw a bit about africa on sport relief and this woman wondered why she had aids even though her husband had god knows how many wives...... we even pay for their healthcare through our overseas aid :s i mean why do we want to give all the aids victims drugs to keep them alive longer? all the do is pass it around some more the longer they live so maybe they should be hurried up to die to try and rid the disease. I am really pissed off having to pay LOTS of tax for everybody who is more than happy to take take take. We now have more going out on benefits in the UK than we have coming in from income tax :s even an idiot must realise thats not sustainable. I am all for helping the people who are in need of help but we must get so much tougher.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I believe that while something was needed to reign in the medical insurers as well as the need for those genuinely poorer and in desperate need of healthcare, the measures announced are too costly and too far. While most people are unaware;- America is under staggering debt levels that quite honestly, are frightening and a risk to the future of the Western World with the rise of China. Essentially what i'm getting at is that we are using their money to buy our own rope so that in the end, they can hang us.

[alexxxxx]

from what i've read it's been watered down to such an extent that it doesn't really achieve much at all. tbh i don't really care what you say about the NHS because frankly I like being able to go to the doctor when i want, however many times I want, without being excluded because of pre-existing conditions, getting my £6 prescription and going home without having to fill out a form or calling someone to see if they will pay. i think there should be some sort of health tourism safeguards but honestly i'd hate it to be like the usa.

[Catzsy]

Jrh - I wish you would write in paragraphs- your posts are so hard to read You have pretty hardline attitudes which I guess you are entitled to but here are you actually advocating murdering people with aids?

by jrh2002 we even pay for their healthcare through our overseas aid :s i mean why do we want to give all the aids victims drugs to keep them alive longer? all the do is pass it around some more the longer they live so maybe they should be hurried up to die to try and rid the disease.

[Technologic]

When I broke my wrist i was referred to a doctor after waiting 20 minutes in A&E, they then sent me for an X-ray, then an MRI and put me in a cast for free. Then I had 5 check ups, 2 further x-rays... also for free.....

I'd rather wait 20 minutes than pay £3000 for it

[dbgtz]

I agree and disagree with arguements in here. I don't think benefits should exist (like ema, child benefits etc) but education and the NHS are not benefits imo, they're a right. Plus you could see it as an investment, more people alive more people to make money = more taxed cash. Same with education, more people in work more people getting money for the government and possibly less benefit claims.

I think what the U.S. are doing is a good idea but they havn't thought it through properly, hence why I don't like Obama no more, he seems to just push and push until he gets his way.

Top 40 healthcare
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei

[-:Undertaker:-]

The NHS will have to be privatised or undergo a massive change in the way it is run, its fact. We (the western world) and less so America are heading for a demographic crisis within the next 10 to 20 years were its just going to reach levels needed to fund the NHS that its just simply quite scary. I favour the American model but with more control over the insurers.

[alexxxxx]

The NHS will have to be privatised or undergo a massive change in the way it is run, its fact. We (the western world) and less so America are heading for a demographic crisis within the next 10 to 20 years were its just going to reach levels needed to fund the NHS that its just simply quite scary. I favour the American model but with more control over the insurers.

i would prefer that the hospitals are privatised and the government pays for those eligible (ie everyone british/eu) if we had to privatise at all. Making people have to pay for their own insurance just plays into the hands of monopolists and whichever regulator takes it on will be under constant pressure from insurers (see OFCOM, OFWATT). The levels used to fund the NHS will only spill over to insurers (with a suitable mark-up of course).