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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Honestly - I hate dogs. I've got bad memories of them and whenever something like this comes up a little voice in the back of my head says "good" but the majority of my brain says "aww, poor thing - how awful". I have mixed feelings over this. Dogs like that - the one pictured anyway - shouldn't be allowed - however hanging it and burning it is obviously unlawful and absolutely disgraceful.
    Don't judge a book by it's cover. My neighbour used to have a Rottweiler and they're renown for their 'viciousness', it was one of the nicest dogs I've ever been with. A jack russel can be violent too yanno.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't stereotype, I give with experience and knowledge - from what I've experienced and what I know, pitbulls are dangerous - not all, but certainly more than most people would be comfortable with.
    Just because you experienced something doesn't make it right. A dog is born with no vicious tendencies, a human teaches it that. The same way a human is born non-aggressive but LEARNS to be aggressive by being taught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myke View Post
    Just because you experienced something doesn't make it right. A dog is born with no vicious tendencies, a human teaches it that. The same way a human is born non-aggressive but LEARNS to be aggressive by being taught.
    That's simply not true, most dogs are born with vicious tendencies and so are humans. It's how things in the wild survive and how we survived in the past. Vicious tendencies and aggression come naturally to most omnivores and carnivores, survival of the fittest and all that. Quite simple really, humans and dogs are taught to be non-aggressive if anything.

    For instance if you just put a dog in the wild, of course it will be vicious without being taught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    That's simply not true, most dogs are born with vicious tendencies and so are humans. It's how things in the wild survive and how we survived in the past. Vicious tendencies and aggression come naturally to most omnivores and carnivores, survival of the fittest and all that. Quite simple really, humans and dogs are taught to be non-aggressive if anything.

    For instance if you just put a dog in the wild, of course it will be vicious without being taught.
    Eh, that was and is survival, I'm sure anyone would do anything to survive, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muct View Post
    Eh, that was and is survival, I'm sure anyone would do anything to survive, right?
    Survival is exactly what is "natural".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    Survival is exactly what is "natural".
    I'm sure being petted on the head by your owner and being chased by wild lions or something are two different types of survival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muct View Post
    I'm sure being petted on the head by your owner and being chased by wild lions or something are two different types of survival.
    Well yes but they're linked. Dogs are naturally aggressive in order to survive in the wild I'm sure we'll agree by now. They have to be trained to be non-aggressive however they can never be fully trained. Hence why patting a dog on the head will be seem as a challenge to the dog and make it feel threatened, hence why it will attack you. I swear I was making a point at some point but now I just seem to be going round in circles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    Well yes but they're linked. Dogs are naturally aggressive in order to survive in the wild I'm sure we'll agree by now. They have to be trained to be non-aggressive however they can never be fully trained. Hence why patting a dog on the head will be seem as a challenge to the dog and make it feel threatened, hence why it will attack you. I swear I was making a point at some point but now I just seem to be going round in circles
    No, I don't agree that dogs are naturally aggressive, OK - I'll accept that maybe the odd dog could be different and the other way round, born bad and needs to be taught to be good - but dogs in general? No. I don't even agree that pitbutts or any other breed in general are born aggressive.

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    Conservative, a part of you thought that it was good that a one year old puppy was tortured and murdered for NO reason? You are completly in the wrong, dangerous dogs aside, all this puppy did was nibble on a bible as it was probably teething, it didn't deserve to be set alight in flames and hung. That's like saying you accidently bump into me so i go to your house and kill your family... it's not right is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muct View Post
    No, I don't agree that dogs are naturally aggressive, OK - I'll accept that maybe the odd dog could be different and the other way round, born bad and needs to be taught to be good - but dogs in general? No. I don't even agree that pitbutts or any other breed in general are born aggressive.
    Then you would be wrong. Its instinct is to defend itself and survive. If it feels threatened, then it becomes aggressive. Thus born aggressive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muct View Post
    No, I don't agree that dogs are naturally aggressive, OK - I'll accept that maybe the odd dog could be different and the other way round, born bad and needs to be taught to be good - but dogs in general? No. I don't even agree that pitbutts or any other breed in general are born aggressive.
    I'm talking about stuff which can't really be disputed here, they are born aggressive, and that is natural sorry. Dogs or anything else can't be born "bad", this isn't Harry Potter, everything is born with a neutral mindset and depending on the environment it is brought up in will be either "good" or "bad", at birth though every animal is as good/bad as each other.

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