Why do so many threads in Feedback get closed?

[Jin]

Sorry Completely forgot only thread starter and staff could reply in the questions forum. My bad.

[GommeInc]

What you deem appropriate isn't really the question here?

In the rep thread people asked why admins have 50 rep power.

Lets take a step back from how trivial this matter is in the first place.

I quite clearly answered that question, I quite clearly answered why matt and oli said what they did, I quite clearly stated I wasn't going to change it.

What more is there to say in that thread? 9 pages of abuse and insults?

Well where to begin? Quite a few of us noticed huge flaws in the idea.

- New members not caring about how much rep an admin gets.
- The idea that current members are incapable of repping new members.
- The idea that admins are more than likely "pointless" repping new members, as suggested by a few people in that thread. New members don't need to be repped by just admins, especially ones with huge rep powers. It kinda comes off as counter-productive seeing as current members are more than capable, and have more of a say on the reputation of a another member - we have to put up with them anyway
- The origins of the idea.
- Why it's suddenly become an issue.

You've got to remember you're running a forum aimed at people around the same age as you, so they're just as smart/dumb (whatever way you want to see it) so their say is just as powerful as yours, or the ideas they come up with counter your claims. Giving reasons tend to help, especially if people feel so strongly about it. Afterall, you may own the forum but a forum is useless if you've got bickering members and staff So it's understandable if people get pee'd off because it comes off as belittling, especially when you don't explain it to them at their level.

Sorry Completely forgot only thread starter and staff could reply in the questions forum. My bad.

It reminds me of the complaints forum which kind of has the same use as the Queries/Questions forums, but that's another discussion entirely

[Hecktix]

Can I just highlight that we have no problems with the way in which most members post in these feedback forums, however if constantly post negatively in these forums without real reason (i.e. moaning because we said no to your idea) then it will give us a negative view of you. Some members do this permanently and never really bring any benefit to the site, therefore things like tonight happen and I will be honest with the users like chippiewill as I'm not here to be liked I'm here to keep this site running. This user is the only user I have found to act in feedback this way permanently, all other uses including those that can behave in this manner occasionally (yes, you Dom ) also contribute to Habbox in a positive way and your feedback is appreciated.

[Jin]

- New members not caring about how much rep an admin gets.
- The idea that current members are incapable of repping new members.
- The idea that admins are more than likely "pointless" repping new members, as suggested by a few people in that thread. New members don't need to be repped by just admins, especially ones with huge rep powers. It kinda comes off as counter-productive seeing as current members are more than capable, and have more of a say on the reputation of a another member - we have to put up with them anyway
- The origins of the idea.
- Why it's suddenly become an issue.

Okay,

- It doesn't matter to me about whether new members know what rep power admins have, this to me seems like a obsession of older members.
- If current members rep posts that are worth repping good on them.
- If we were going to pointlessly rep then why wouldn't we save ourselves the trouble and just bump up the new registration default rep?
- Current members have equal opinion on new members, (you have no say as you are not above new members). Admins also do like to use this forum also we aren't just members of staff and if we feel that posts deserve +repping then they will receive a +rep.
- You will have to explain that out.
- Because there is a group of people that seem to think that they are the big I am on this forum and frankly it is a bit annoying to see how some new members are spoken to on this forum. It also isn't fair on users that actually earn their plus rep as oppose to get it because of various "rep backs" which I must admit is pretty desperate.

These were the reasons it was introduced to new members, it doesn't mean we will exclusively rep new members. Just the other day I +repped iJoe for making a good contribution to a thread that a less experienced user created in the technology forums. I felt that he deserved it because he gave good clear answers without belittling the member nor making fun of how basic the question was.

Prior to the change, I minus repped a current member with high rep because they basically decided to be the most unhelpful human being in a similar thread and gave a lecture on computer terminology and then didn't bother to help the person with their issue afterwards.

[GommeInc]

Okay,

- It doesn't matter to me about whether new members know what rep power admins have, this to me seems like a obsession of older members.
- If current members rep posts that are worth repping good on them.
- If we were going to pointlessly rep then why wouldn't we save ourselves the trouble and just bump up the new registration default rep?
- Current members have equal opinion on new members, (you have no say as you are not above new members). Admins also do like to use this forum also we aren't just members of staff and if we feel that posts deserve +repping then they will receive a +rep.
- You will have to explain that out.
- Because there is a group of people that seem to think that they are the big I am on this forum and frankly it is a bit annoying to see how some new members are spoken to on this forum. It also isn't fair on users that actually earn their plus rep as oppose to get it because of various "rep backs" which I must admit is pretty desperate.

These were the reasons it was introduced to new members, it doesn't mean we will exclusively rep new members. Just the other day I +repped iJoe for making a good contribution to a thread that a less experienced user created in the technology forums. I felt that he deserved it because he gave good clear answers without belittling the member nor making fun of how basic the question was.

Prior to the change, I minus repped a current member with high rep because they basically decided to be the most unhelpful human being in a similar thread and gave a lecture on computer terminology and then didn't bother to help the person with their issue afterwards.

Right, so that answers points 1, 2 and 3 which went unanswered

Point 4 - Admins previously had 20 or 25 rep power which was more than adequate. 50 does seem like overkill which is what many members were saying (or from I gather, concerned about) in the other thread and why they were reacting to the change.
Point 5 (origins of the idea) was sort of answered in your point 6.

Point 6 - But do you not think it is a bit wrong to hike your rep power up to 50 to attack the users who have over 20 rep power, when members who have low rep (10 - 15 for example, as a ball park figure) are going to lose a lot of rep in the process? Rep is just to convey your opinion on a post (anonymously or not), rather than power, or that's what you're meant to make it look like. It does seem like the 50 rep power is there to attack than to be of any use, or to come off as the "ultimate" powers of the forum, when it's never been an issue before. -25 or +25 is still quite a lot of rep points in any respect, 50 seems like quite a lot, especially when you appear to be repping a lot of members yourself

EDIT: I really do need to sort this keyboard out :/

[Jin]

Okay then can you please rephrase any points that you feel are unanswered as an actual question instead of a statement as I can only do my best at guessing what the question within the statement is.

and no, because I don't see why it makes so much difference to peoples lives, we very rarely -rep, people have to make a really really bad post to deserve -rep.

[GommeInc]

Okay then can you please rephrase any points that you feel are unanswered as an actual question instead of a statement as I can only do my best at guessing what the question within the statement is.

and no, because I don't see why it makes so much difference to peoples lives, we very rarely -rep, people have to make a really really bad post to deserve -rep.

Which ones did you not understand? :S You answered 1 to 3, as they were ones that were hidden under the rubble and went unanswered - they're fine now. The other points that concern members are any relating to why you need 50 in the first place, especially when many members have "earned" their rep. I believe it was FlyingJesus who said "reputation doesn't need to have a point", and if a member has given a "pointless" rep then it reflects the attitudes and thoughts of members of the forum. There doesn't have to be a written reason for each action afterall.

It does seem the 50 rep is there just to benefit and make the admin voice heard, when it's not any louder than any other members voice

[FlyingJesus]

There's still not really any statement as to why this change was necessary - you can ask why it makes a difference to us all you like but that's not an answer. As I said before, if you just want to have the bigger number then I would honestly see that as a valid reason as you are the admins and are therefore entitled to whatever bonuses you want really, but so far there hasn't actually been a reason put forth as to why this change was seen as necessary other than so that you give a bigger boost to those you rep, which as previously mentioned undermines the judgement of the community as to whom is seen as a valuable contributor, and indicates that somehow your opinions are worth more than anyone elses

[Jin]

Then in which case why don't we disable the reputation system if it isn't performing its intended purpose? The rep system is suppose to be an indicator as to someone's character not popularity on a forum. Essentially these should be earned for making good posts which people agree with or have found useful, not because someone has been repping people for posts consisting of "LOL's" in the spam forum and then receiving rep backs in return.

If that is what the community believes what rep is then I suppose the community won't mind if I reset the scores to 0, start new members with 30,000 points or even start offering managers 1000 points a month to go along with their forum vip.

[GommeInc]

Then in which case why don't we disable the reputation system if it isn't performing its intended purpose? The rep system is suppose to be an indicator as to someone's character not popularity on a forum. Essentially these should be earned for making good posts which people agree with or have found useful, not because someone has been repping people for posts consisting of "LOL's" in the spam forum and then receiving rep backs in return.

If that is what the community believes what rep is then I suppose the community won't mind if I reset the scores to 0, start new members with 30,000 points or even start offering managers 1000 points a month to go along with their forum vip.

But who sets the purpose of the rep system? Management could but as with all systems and features they change to the requirements of the userbase. As the system is not broken nor had any problems, the changes implemented today seem to of come from no where. In some respects, the rep system does indicate a user's personality and character, it's why they are popular in the first place Going through the list of members with high rep, they've well and truely earned it as they're important members of the community - Neversoft, always making useful posts and mixes in well with the community. FlyingJesus, a respected member of the community who gets on well with many, as was --ss-- and I assume hysteria is popular too (although I literally have no idea what his previous forum names are). So I think these people have earned their rep, they have colourful characters and are respected on the forum.