Plan to bring UK clocks forward

[-:Undertaker:-]

To your first point, unlikely really isn't it? And even if it did, locally businesses and people would change their practices. In Scandinavia businesses and schools close earlier at different times of the year. I'm not sure how relevant that column is. The sun sets at different times in belfast to london - it doesn't mean it changes it at all.. Reykjavík isn't 'near london' but it is in the same time zone.

It is in the same time zone as its deemed closer to that time zone, Berlin is not in our time zone because it is better suited in another one just as we are better suited in this time zone which we have been in for many years. We are not near Berlin, we are located around London therefore we have the time we have. As the article states, that is why Berlin does not have the time of Kiev.

I don't see how we can choose what time zone we occupy? yes we can change, but thats not logical hence why we are not on the same time zone as Mongolia for example because Mongolia is geographically further away just as Berlin is to London, and as Moscow is to Berlin.

We occupy a certain time zone on the map - and that should be the end of it.

I don't think it has anything to do with the EU.

Well many of us would like to think that, infact many of us would like that to be reality - but these people prefer and like to standardise everything (yes, everything right down to tractor seats), and a single time zone for Europe is something i'm sure they would be for/be pushing for.

They interfere with everything else, they might aswell interfere such a simple thing as time itself.

[benjamin]

personally i'm all for this change. i - as do a lot of other people - tend to do much more in the evenings/nights, it'd be nicer for it to be lighter for longer in the evenings.

also, i'd quite like a drive to work with the sun rising

[-:Undertaker:-]

This has been tried before apparently in Britain and it was a disaster and turned out unpopular and we reverted back, as did Portugal which it also proved unpopular in and they ended up reverting back to their normal time zone. Ontop of that, Scotland will have to suffer awkward timing of daylight/darkness. If you want more daylight then you can simply get up at an earlier time. There's the fact it will also mean kids out on the streets later on, an annoyance to many people.

But hey, do we learn from history? well some of us do, although certainly not our political class.

[Nemo]

This has been tried before apparently in Britain and it was a disaster and turned out unpopular and we reverted back, as did Portugal which it also proved unpopular in and they ended up reverting back to their normal time zone. Ontop of that, Scotland will have to suffer awkward timing of daylight/darkness. But hey, do we learn from history? well some of us do, although certainly not our political class.

Then there's the fact it will also mean kids out on the streets later on, an annoyance to many people.

When was this tested? Also who cares about scotland

[Jordy]

Our current timezones are based on Scottish hill farmers, not exactly the backbone of our economy tbh.

[benjamin]

think i saw somewhere briefly, that it was tried back in the 60s? situations change, as well as peoples opinions. i don't honestly see why a trial run would hurt to be honest. the way i look at it, is that i see more pros than cons - especially for me, anyway.

[-:Undertaker:-]

When was this tested? Also who cares about scotland

Under Edward Heath, not sure of the exact year.

Our current timezones are based on Scottish hill farmers, not exactly the backbone of our economy tbh.

Why annoy them/make life harder for them? I have never heard once somebody say 'gosh, I wish our clocks were put to Berlin time' - because I think most people realise we are not in Berlin/near Berlin, others are aware of the last failed attempt at changing our time and finally there is the fact that most people seem pretty happy with our timezone.

think i saw somewhere briefly, that it was tried back in the 60s? situations change, as well as peoples opinions. i don't honestly see why a trial run would hurt to be honest. the way i look at it, is that i see more pros than cons - especially for me, anyway.

Well because it proved to be not successful, hence why people turned against it. Now as far as i'm aware, in the last 40 years we haven't had a sudden change with the Sun which would mean that moving the times again would prove unsuccessful yet again - so why try something again which failed due to circumstances out of our control (the Sun, the tilt of the Earth) the last time we tried it?

[benjamin]

Under Edward Heath, not sure of the exact year.



Why annoy them/make life harder for them? I have never heard once somebody say 'gosh, I wish our clocks were put to Berlin time' - because I think most people realise we are not in Berlin/near Berlin, others are aware of the last failed attempt at changing our time and finally there is the fact that most people seem pretty happy with our timezone.



Well because it proved to be not successful, hence why people turned against it. Now as far as i'm aware, in the last 40 years we haven't had a sudden change with the Sun which would mean that moving the times again would prove unsuccessful yet again - so why try something again which failed due to circumstances out of our control (the Sun, the tilt of the Earth) the last time we tried it?

no, no sudden change with the sun - but as i said peoples opinions change. people might actually prefer this time around to do it differently. just because it didn't work once before, doesn't mean it never will work.

[-:Undertaker:-]

no, no sudden change with the sun - but as i said peoples opinions change. people might actually prefer this time around to do it differently. just because it didn't work once before, doesn't mean it never will work.

Well what could change in peoples opinions in regards to sunlight/darkness? it's not exactly a political issue or moral issue where peoples opinions can change over time and or with age. As I said before, Portugal tried twice and it didn't work out (one was in the 1990s) and we tried once in the 1970s and it didn't work out - especially for Scotland and up north which were plunged into awkward timing.

In the last post I said I haven't seen a big demand by people wanting to mess around with the times and put us on Berlin time, and that is true - has anyone for that matter ever heard somebody ask for us to be put on Berlin time? I very much doubt it.

They tried this experiment 40 years ago and it didnt work then and its not going to work now. Lighter evenings will lead to more anti-social behaviour, darker mornings will lead to children going to school in the dark, just as I did 40 years ago. The only people who want this change are those who start work late, if starting work at all, not those who start at 06.00 hours, because they will be going to bed in daylight. Ive heard the old Bring us in to line with Europe excuse....well are we going to be able to retire at 62 like some of our European counterparts? Are we going to have better pensions like some of our European counterparts? No, of course we are not. Listen....If it aint broke, dont fix it- Richo, Clacton, 20/2/2011 21:59

Amen to that - apparently Newfoundland in Canada also tried this a few years back, it didn't work.

Daylight Saving Time

is observed throughout the province. In 1988 the provincial government experimented with double daylight saving time, moving clocks ahead two hours during daylight saving time instead of just one. This move proved unpopular in the fall when children started going to school in the dark.

[benjamin]

Well what could change in peoples opinions in regards to sunlight/darkness? it's not exactly a political issue or moral issue where peoples opinions can change over time and or with age. As I said before, Portugal tried twice and it didn't work out (one was in the 1990s) and we tried once in the 1970s and it didn't work out - especially for Scotland and up north which were plunged into awkward timing.

In the last post I said I haven't seen a big demand by people wanting to mess around with the times and put us on Berlin time, and that is true - has anyone for that matter ever heard somebody ask for us to be put on Berlin time? I very much doubt it.

well for one - we're not portugal. yeah it isn't such an issue, but there aren't exactly the same people around that were in the 70s. peoples ways of living change - peoples needs could potentially be different now to what they were - and having more sunlight in the evening may prove beneficial to a lot more people now than it did back in the 70s (or whenever it was given a trial).

maybe there hasn't been such demand for it because it doesn't cross peoples minds that it could change - until i saw this thread tonight i wouldn't have thought about changing our time zone, but now it has been bought to my attention, i would be all for the change. also, the tourism industry is (i assume, anyway) a lot different and possibly bigger to what it was in the 70s, and it's been pointed out it would benefit that industry in particular.

i usually go by "if it isn't broken, don't fix it", but in this circumstance i just feel that it'd be a good change.