[DISCUSSION] Should Habbox Managers be able to win large Habbox events/competitions?

[Inseriousity.]

Jess is involved with the HxL department though. If they're not involved with the running of the competition then they should be allowed to enter. As for moderators winning, it'd really depend on what they were going to do with the prize. If they were going to dump them in a room gathering dust then ye I'd be angry but if they were going to be used for more competitions or more events then no I wouldn't be. That's all managers really do with the prizes they win, they use for their own department.

I think it was dave in the Hx SFE thread that said "Habbox doesn't have vaults of gold" so it's perfectly natural that managers would enter competitions to transfer the winnings from one department to theirs. If they weren't allowed to enter, managers would be reliant on donations to do things so there'd be less big events and it'd be very irregular because donations themselves are irregular. Sometimes you can have lots of donations, other times you have none.

As for new users thinking it's biased, who can honestly say they knew who the management were when they joined because when I joined, I didn't have a clue so "Mathew has won the win a room" I'd be thinking "ah crap I never win" not "oh isnt he a manager, this is outrageous, habbox scams!". While we'll never know as it should remain confidential, I'll be surprised if the majority of the people who complained have been here less than a year.

[Richie]

That example doesn't work either because obviously I wouldn't be able to win the Easter Extravaganza, or my own department competition, or my own weekly event. We have said countless times in this thread that management can't win competitions from their own department because that's just daft.. Naturally this works in the same way that Jess wouldn't win a competition on HabboxLive.

Maybe it's bias, or perhaps it's just recognising that Department Managers are regular members when it's not concerning their department. For lack of a better example, I have no influence or connection whatsoever with HabboxLive. I went through the same process of entering, like everyone else did, and it just so happened that the DJ in question thought my entry was best.

There is also a problem here, if a rule was imposed, that it's way to ambiguous to label what would be considered a "big event" or a "small event."

Are you saying Phil or you can't play events?

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Jess is involved with the HxL department though. If they're not involved with the running of the competition then they should be allowed to enter. As for moderators winning, it'd really depend on what they were going to do with the prize. If they were going to dump them in a room gathering dust then ye I'd be angry but if they were going to be used for more competitions or more events then no I wouldn't be. That's all managers really do with the prizes they win, they use for their own department.

I think it was dave in the Hx SFE thread that said "Habbox doesn't have vaults of gold" so it's perfectly natural that managers would enter competitions to transfer the winnings from one department to theirs. If they weren't allowed to enter, managers would be reliant on donations to do things so there'd be less big events and it'd be very irregular because donations themselves are irregular. Sometimes you can have lots of donations, other times you have none.

As for new users thinking it's biased, who can honestly say they knew who the management were when they joined because when I joined, I didn't have a clue so "Mathew has won the win a room" I'd be thinking "ah crap I never win" not "oh isnt he a manager, this is outrageous, habbox scams!". While we'll never know as it should remain confidential, I'll be surprised if the majority of the people who complained have been here less than a year.

I'm pretty sure I've seen Phil and Mathew play events, as much as I like both of them I'm just trying to show my argument.

[Inseriousity.]

This is a thread about large events though. Mathew would never win Easter Eggstravaganza or enter the Easter quest he did. Whereas smaller events are alright because they're based on luck (rolling of a dice, not getting a carrot, getting a chair first etc etc). If the events hosts posted the questions for their quizzes in the events organiser forum then ofc they shouldn't be allowed to enter but as they don't they have as much advantage as everyone else in the event: zero.

PS. I like you too and understand your argument. I just disagree with it, sorry.

[Richie]

This is a thread about large events though. Mathew would never win Easter Eggstravaganza or enter the Easter quest he did. Whereas smaller events are alright because they're based on luck (rolling of a dice, not getting a carrot, getting a chair first etc etc). If the events hosts posted the questions for their quizzes in the events organiser forum then ofc they shouldn't be allowed to enter but as they don't they have as much advantage as everyone else in the event: zero.

Most of the Eggstravaganza was based on luck in events so I'm confused to what's different other than the prize. Does this mean it's acceptable for ,jess, to win "small prizes" from her djs? or for Nicola to enter a posting competition?

edit I got confused with summer spectacular and Eggstravaganza, either way my point is can they enter summer spectacular because it's based on luck? If so that's just contradicting.

[Inseriousity.]

Most of the Eggstravaganza was based on luck in events so I'm confused to what's different other than the prize. Does this mean it's acceptable for ,jess, to win "small prizes" from her djs? or for Nicola to enter a posting competition?

What's different is that they organised it. They organise how it works, how the points system would work etc so if they were to win, it would naturally look like they manipulated the admin-side of things to work in their favour whereas with small events, apart from adding an event to a timetable, they don't really have much input into how the event plays out so when they win, they win fairly and that's why it's acceptable (imo).

edit: didnt see your edit as you can see by my quote. the summer spectacular is more bigger and is organised by the general management team so it's not contradictory. It fits into my argument above. If you organise it, you could manipulate it to work in your favour. I'm not saying that managers would do that as I know they wouldn't but that's what it'd look like if they win. Whereas anything they don't organise and they win, I know they won fairly with as much chance as everyone else.

[Mathew]

Are you saying Phil or you can't play events?

I'm pretty sure I've seen Phil and Mathew play events, as much as I like both of them I'm just trying to show my argument.

I've never mentioned the fact that we can't play small events, we're talking about large scale tournaments and big promotions such as the monopoly and HabboxLive "Win a Room / Thrones"

Most of the Eggstravaganza was based on luck in events so I'm confused to what's different other than the prize. Does this mean it's acceptable for ,jess, to win "small prizes" from her djs? or for Nicola to enter a posting competition?

During the Easter Extravaganza, it would be perfectly fine for myself or Phil to take part in events and gain the odd point, but it would be silly for us to try and beat the whole tournament - surely you can understand that for obvious moral reasons. If you've planned and organised something, then you'd be a bit of a moron to try and win it.. :rolleyes:

There is also the fact that, during tournaments such as the EE, small prizes are given out in events IN ADDITION to points, hence I'd still be winning the odd piece of furniture from EOs, but never the whole thing - and that is what the point of this thread is about.

Personally, I would have no problem with a Department Manager trying to win the whole tournament because they would either a) Refuse the prize and give it to 2nd place, or b) Put it back into their own department.

edit I got confused with summer spectacular and Eggstravaganza, either way my point is can they enter summer spectacular?

I have no idea what happens in the HxSS as I've always been on holiday in the past (and I will be this year too ). I'm under the impression Dept Managers are some form of Team Leaders though? Not sure.

[Richie]

What's different is that they organised it. They organise how it works, how the points system would work etc so if they were to win, it would naturally look like they manipulated the admin-side of things to work in their favour whereas with small events, apart from adding an event to a timetable, they don't really have much input into how the event plays out so when they win, they win fairly and that's why it's acceptable (imo).

Same would apply to jess, djs don't ask her can they host small events, they just do it. So either way it'd be out of luck (or the host being bias) but then again a host could be bias in an event room. What I'm trying to get at Mike is, how silly would it look if a dj announced jess as the winner of an on air competition? I just don't see how it's any different to events.

It should be do or not. If managers want to enter competitions they should forfeit their position and allow someone else who is capable to give up something in exchange for running their department without bickering, whether it's for or not.

No it's not fair, but managers need to take one for the team. You know as well as I do the majority of the people on here want to be like Charlie sheen (winners) so if I manager did win, they would create a thread complaining, which isn't the sort of thing habbox needs. It's just going to lead to more arguments.

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I have no idea what happens in the HxSS as I've always been on holiday in the past (and I will be this year too ). I'm under the impression Dept Managers are some form of Team Leaders though? Not sure.

Team Leaders are still part of that team and can still win prizes.

[Inseriousity.]

Same would apply to jess, djs don't ask her can they host small events, they just do it. So either way it'd be out of luck (or the host being bias) but then again a host could be bias in an event room. What I'm trying to get at Mike is, how silly would it look if a dj announced jess as the winner of an on air competition? I just don't see how it's any different to events.

It should be do or not. If managers want to enter competitions they should forfeit their position and allow someone else who is capable to give up something in exchange for running their department without bickering, whether it's for or not.

No it's not fair, but managers need to take one for the team. You know as well as I do the majority of the people on here want to be like Charlie sheen (winners) so if I manager did win, they would create a thread complaining, which isn't the sort of thing habbox needs. It's just going to lead to more arguments.

Events management have been entering events for as long as I can remember and this is the first thread I've seen that's brought it up... which is by the general management team. I'm sure you'd have never brought it up. Numerous management have won the small competitions and I haven't had a single complaint about it yet because people know they've won it fairly.

As I've already said and it's a point you've ignored:

I think it was dave in the Hx SFE thread that said "Habbox doesn't have vaults of gold" so it's perfectly natural that managers would enter competitions to transfer the winnings from one department to theirs. If they weren't allowed to enter, managers would be reliant on donations to do things so there'd be less big events and it'd be very irregular because donations themselves are irregular. Sometimes you can have lots of donations, other times you have none.

I also personally think it's quite insulting that you say management should resign and give it to someone "who is capable of giving up something" as I know that management have very frequently dipped into their own funds to provide a big event. "Giving up something" is something management (past, present and very likely future) has done. The very least they can get in return is to enter a big competition that they have no involvement with to earn that back. They are as much a Habbox member outside of their department as everyone else.

[Mathew]

Same would apply to jess, djs don't ask her can they host small events, they just do it. So either way it'd be out of luck (or the host being bias) but then again a host could be bias in an event room. What I'm trying to get at Mike is, how silly would it look if a dj announced jess as the winner of an on air competition? I just don't see how it's any different to events.

This is a good point, Richie. I would argue, however, that HabboxLive DJs only tend to do one or (at a push) two on-air competitions per show. The events team should be looking at doing 4-5 rounds per hour, on average; therefore there is more chance to win a prize.

There is also the fact that, if Phil or I were to win an event, there is the chance we would give it to 2nd place. Not gonna lie, there are times that I've accepted the prize because I deserved it (obviously.. I won), but this is what I've said all through the thread; the majority of Habbox Managers would turn down prizes for the benefit of Habbox off their own back and therefore there is no need to impose power upon them and ban them from entering competitions or playing events.

If Oli wishes to ban Phil and I from playing our own events (which is daft because it kinda defeats the object of interacting with the community) then so be it, but the joke is on him when he realises there's a group of management who feel detached from the community.

It should be do or not. If managers want to enter competitions they should forfeit their position and allow someone else who is capable to give up something in exchange for running their department without bickering, whether it's for or not.

No it's not fair, but managers need to take one for the team. You know as well as I do the majority of the people on here want to be like Charlie sheen (winners) so if I manager did win, they would create a thread complaining, which isn't the sort of thing habbox needs. It's just going to lead to more arguments.

Well I'm not gonna reply to this, Richie, because I think it's extremely petty to suggest people should resign over something as tiny as this. The thread says [DISCUSSION] for a reason.

Team Leaders are still part of that team and can still win prizes.

So be it then. They won fair and square.

[Zuth]

I think managers should be able to win normal events but not the big ones