Bye Rare Values Department

[Grig]

Yeh I also noticed some values way off. I mean it's a really turbulent market.

[Logandyer45]

If I was a "Big Trader" or "Rich Person" in Habbo, I would use RVD but I don't. Maybe to look at a price of something to see it rise or fall but that's it.

[Samantha]

I'll reply fully when I get home but one reason it takes a qhile to update is due to no gm member knowing rare values and that only me and will can change them, it was ten times worse when I was the single manager as there was a lot more values submitted to update.

[Recursion]

Rare Values isn't going anywhere I don't think.... (not like we're being forced to code it or anything LOL)

[Chippiewill]

Rare Values isn't going anywhere I don't think.... (not like we're being forced to code it or anything LOL)

I have it on good authority that it'll just display random integer values.

[Samantha]

Right, reply time.

I'll just remember some replies and try to answer what happens with specific things.

I believe it was @jasey; who mentioned normal values, we do have a system to monitor these and we mainly say that if the norm value is stable we will not accept that as a report if an Expert or normal reporter submits it. However, we allow norms that differ in value and are widely wanted in Habbo to be reported such as Grass Patches and Holo-Dice as they often differ between 2-3c before settling at a specific one for sometime. This isn't done often though therefore isn't much of a problem. Furthermore, if we have just added new items to the panel such as the new rabbit pet food and the pet accessories we will allow head reporters to update items as they would be classed as 0 credits on the panel when really they should be at 1 credit (as we can't put in 0.5 etc.) this is fine, we do bring it up if they updated mostly normal values though.

Our main focus is Rare Values and as said before norms aren't reported that often but we do try our best to try get all those reported updated but it can prove difficult when only 2 can change the values.

Another thing, yes you can get values from the Marketplace and sometimes I have had to use it just to get an average (most of the time I don't go with the average due to most being rigged) and I have to make a judgement using that. This is on rares I'm unsure on the value of or those that change a lot such as some Dragon Lamps, if you asked me item values of Smoke Machines, Parasols and various others I could most likely tell you though. Anyway, in reply to @Kyle; if the Teleporter value hasn't been updated then I do apologise as I mainly spot an inaccurate value on the site and change it immediately (such as the Idea Agency Teleports having a jump of about 100 credits due to them being listed at 90c on the site) that was changed quickly to give a more accurate reading.

Oh that's it Kyle mentioned about giving a more explicit search with different items, maybe in v7 we could add something that has the past names of some rares such as the jp_rare and so on? Do you think that would help more?

I'll add a more detailed reply later.

[Recursion]

I have it on good authority that it'll just display random integer values.

Hot damn, how did you find out?!

[-Danube-]

I don't think Rare Values should ever be removed from Habbox, it's part of it's heritage and basically it's the main reason Habbox has become so popular and has lasted so long. It doesn't take a genius to work out that ever since the marketplace was release it pulled alot of people away from Habbox Rare Values, tbh it destroyed the entire trading market in the hotel, everything is dictated by the marketplace, why would someone go into a shop, search for an item and then maybe pay more? They don't much, they buy it from the marketplace as it's ease of access. And if they are buying it in a shop they will tell the owner it is 'X' amount of credits in the marketplace, but the owner could say it is 'Y' amount on Habbox, but the buyer will only pay less than marketplace value as they can just buy it from the marketplace anyway.

I've had alot of involvement in the rv department at Habbox and it would be sad to see it go. When Habbox V6 was released there was a big overhaul of the way that Rare Values were displayed and i think this could be improved upon further. When V6 was released i decided to remove an old feature called 'Rare Watch', it was a section of the site which was upkept by the content department (often edited by the RV manager) but it always quickly got out of date. As the rare values were also loosing popularity i knew i had to bring a new spin to it, i decided to merge Rare Values and Rare Watch to produce an overall 'Furniture Resource Guide'. Basically i wanted to catalog every single item of furni on the hotel, rare or not. This would include names, pictures and furni descriptions. Me and David successfully created a few scripts which could automatically grab a furniture name and description from the habbo data files, sadly it was never implemented but it would go great distances at keeping that updated.

To cut a long story short, i think rather than removing rare values altogether, it needs to evolve. I went so far but the department needs to go ever further. I just changed the front end, the way we displayed the values. The actual way the department works needs to change. Rather than just having the full team aiming at finding rare values, you need to put together a team of people together to produce images of new and missing items of furniture and get it added to the website. I think a furniture guide that catalogs all items is an interesting resource for people to search through. Random facts should be included about items etc. It means that rare values can remain on Habbox but also serve a purpose.

It would be very sad for Rare Values to be removed, it's just needs to change.

[Samantha]

I don't think Rare Values should ever be removed from Habbox, it's part of it's heritage and basically it's the main reason Habbox has become so popular and has lasted so long. It doesn't take a genius to work out that ever since the marketplace was release it pulled alot of people away from Habbox Rare Values, tbh it destroyed the entire trading market in the hotel, everything is dictated by the marketplace, why would someone go into a shop, search for an item and then maybe pay more? They don't much, they buy it from the marketplace as it's ease of access. And if they are buying it in a shop they will tell the owner it is 'X' amount of credits in the marketplace, but the owner could say it is 'Y' amount on Habbox, but the buyer will only pay less than marketplace value as they can just buy it from the marketplace anyway.

I've had alot of involvement in the rv department at Habbox and it would be sad to see it go. When Habbox V6 was released there was a big overhaul of the way that Rare Values were displayed and i think this could be improved upon further. When V6 was released i decided to remove an old feature called 'Rare Watch', it was a section of the site which was upkept by the content department (often edited by the RV manager) but it always quickly got out of date. As the rare values were also loosing popularity i knew i had to bring a new spin to it, i decided to merge Rare Values and Rare Watch to produce an overall 'Furniture Resource Guide'. Basically i wanted to catalog every single item of furni on the hotel, rare or not. This would include names, pictures and furni descriptions. Me and David successfully created a few scripts which could automatically grab a furniture name and description from the habbo data files, sadly it was never implemented but it would go great distances at keeping that updated.

To cut a long story short, i think rather than removing rare values altogether, it needs to evolve. I went so far but the department needs to go ever further. I just changed the front end, the way we displayed the values. The actual way the department works needs to change. Rather than just having the full team aiming at finding rare values, you need to put together a team of people together to produce images of new and missing items of furniture and get it added to the website. I think a furniture guide that catalogs all items is an interesting resource for people to search through. Random facts should be included about items etc. It means that rare values can remain on Habbox but also serve a purpose.

It would be very sad for Rare Values to be removed, it's just needs to change.

This has already been done in so many words. Each staff can do sprites and get information if needed then the managers and heads upload it, if that's what you mean?

[-Danube-]

I know what you mean Sam. I used to encorage and give staff the opporutnity to make sprites and images, i even gave HRVRs the power to be able to physically upload them onto Habbox.com theirselves. But the issure was, they never seemed to want to do it. I just ended up doing it, whilst they sent me report after report on values that needed updating.

I mean to section off the department. Maybe 10/15 staff gathering values which have to meet a weekly minimum and then another section of 5/10 staff which have access to upload directly to Habbox.com/ edit rare information and this should be their sole job role. Each group should be lead by one of the RV managers. For the 2nd 'Content' group, the manager would set them weekly targets of what they want them to achieve by the end of the week. Like adding a new section of furniture thats been added, searching through a few sections to make sure names/descriptions are up to date, finding any missing furniture, adding rotations and double clicks to furniture images. Think of this group of people like 'Furniture Content Editors', a whole other department isn't require, nor should it be a task placed in the content department, it should just be an off shoot of the Rare Values Department (Which could get a name change as it would include both rare values reporters and content editors) the name Rare Values would become redudant as Rare Values would only be part of the whole resource