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[Grig]

I agree with the current decision. It didn't contribute to discussion at all.

Post count is not life (but knowing some on this forum, hxf is life and they need a good shot of vodka).

To whoever said there are few actual posts on discussion, the rule in not to blame. The blame lies on the fact that the forum is dwindling (and has been for a while) and more things should be done to spice it up. I used to say before, it should be a democracy, but it's not. At the end of the day, you do not hold stakes on this forum and whoever management is at the time will make the final decision.

I actually think user opinion is listened to much more greatly than it was before and management are easily swayed, which to some could be seen as a sign of weakness in terms of a U-turn. But this is not a government but a forum for Habbo, so it's not.

[lawrawrrr]

OH LOOK ANOTHER FEEDBACK THREAD ON THE SAME THING

The forum was NOT on the list of options - the poll wasn't comprehensive enough to cover all options. Most people who voted 'no' were worried about losing their post count - which they haven't now. It was just a way for certain people to abuse their post counts before, without discussing, so yes I think this is a good idea. Unless someone can think of a way that these threads in any way promote discussion?

[Andii]

@FlyingJesus; (sorry if it wasn't you) pointed out that the majority of users had a very high post count in those threads which could hint towards them only voting for that option to keep their post count.

My honest opinion about it all: I don't care if they have post count or not, Forum Management only changed it because of the users.

Lol from what I Read people are crying over spilt milk. It's already happened so tbh they need to get over it. The way I see it is people simply posted to boost their post count up and that's why most people voted against this. But it can also e said for threads like runescape acchievent threads as you could just make one and post every single time you get up a rank.

[GommeInc]

I questioned this too Dan, apparently it's right to ignore the majority for the whines of the minority who simply want to go against the grain. Why these threads have caused such a fuss when every forum in the world has them is beyond me, and then there's this false idea that post counts actually mean something - no forum takes them seriously and they lack any substantial powers! If I hate a type of thread, I ignore them - I don't impose daft, unfounded ideas on the majority because I have a proverbial bee in my bonnet and have the inability to ignore posts, taking each one seriously.

And then there's the lack of care going into the decision. Post Your Setup/Desktop/Vehicle all fall within the poorly written criteria to be in Spam Forum Mk2, because they do not make for worthwhile discussions and only involve short replies - the excuse that came back was that the threads cannot be abused, well neither can the threads in that forum as to abuse these threads assumes that something worth while will come of it - yet posts are virtually worthless in the post ranking system. If bias and poor implementation come into question, then it simply won't work (especially when the majority said NO). It's another active area of the forum that's been removed for the sake of it - no thought, no consideration and poor judgment.

Lol from what I Read people are crying over spilt milk. It's already happened so tbh they need to get over it. The way I see it is people simply posted to boost their post count up and that's why most people voted against this. But it can also e said for threads like runescape acchievent threads as you could just make one and post every single time you get up a rank.

Post counts are worthless, if people are purposely boosting their post counts I would love to know what they seek to achieve. To get any worthwhile achievements you literally have to make a few thousand posts in these threads to get anywhere up the post ranking system. Unfortunately, this has been overlooked and the decision made on what appears to be a whim :/

I agree with the current decision. It didn't contribute to discussion at all.

Post count is not life (but knowing some on this forum, hxf is life and they need a good shot of vodka).

To whoever said there are few actual posts on discussion, the rule in not to blame. The blame lies on the fact that the forum is dwindling (and has been for a while) and more things should be done to spice it up.

Removing one active part of the forum will not create forum activity... The forum will continue to dwindle while daft changes for the sake of change happen. If they want to spice the forum up, don't touch non-problematic areas. The forum seems less appealing with a poorly worded and clearly over-bearing forum based on a false notion Adding a new forum which has barely any threads in it seems more of a problem than a solution.

You can't state that changes should be made due to majority votes and then fall back on minority statistics to back up your view. The point wasn't that people saying no had high post counts, it was that they had a large number of posts in those threads, and the majority of those saying no were part of that reasoning

Proof? The members list says differently and I'm not an avid user of those threads, unless I'm missing something? :/ I have no idea where this false notion that posts actually mean something comes from. Someone help me out? Those threads aren't as spammed in as you may think. A simple bit of mathematics and you realise that, to make any substantial changes to your profile with regards to the post ranking system, you would literally have to make thousands of posts. No one has done that.

[FlyingJesus]

How can you use the members list to see how many posts people have in certain threads? Think you're totally missing what's being said.

Things that haven't been claimed:
*People who wanted the threads to remain open had large post counts
*People with large post counts have posted in those pointless threads lots

Things that have been claimed:
*The majority of people who voted against nerfing the threads had over 100 posts in those threads

What value people put on posts is up to them entirely, but whatever your stance on that might be "posts don't even matter!!!!" is not a valid argument for suggesting that pointless threads require a post count. As for ignoring the majority, yes in a place that isn't a democracy (ie: right here) that is entirely ok to do, especially if the majority opinion is unfounded and overridden by actual reasoning.
Nothing has been removed except for the post count in a few threads - which you claim to not care about. With that logic, I can't actually see what your point is.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No new forum rules have been created. Polls aren't here to make a decision, it's been made clear plenty of times that we make the final decision.

That is a dishonest reply, quite clearly members are now restricted to the type of replies and type of threads they can post in certain forums.

*The majority of people who voted against nerfing the threads had over 100 posts in those threads

And? why is this any of your concern and why does it bother you?

As for cluttering up the forum, everybody is just as capable as myself and Ryan are and *drum roll* don't click on them.

The forum was NOT on the list of options - the poll wasn't comprehensive enough to cover all options. Most people who voted 'no' were worried about losing their post count - which they haven't now. It was just a way for certain people to abuse their post counts before, without discussing, so yes I think this is a good idea. Unless someone can think of a way that these threads in any way promote discussion?

Another example of somebody finding reasons to dismiss people's votes based on personal assumptions.

Can I ask how you reached this conclusion and even if true, why is it any of your business as to why people voted a certain way. A question was asked of the forum users, the users considered all the arguments (and personal preferences as well) and then made individual choices.

That is usually how a poll works.

Unless someone can think of a way that these threads in any way promote discussion?

I can, by the fact that people who enjoy posting in these threads (not me, probably not you either) are therefore more likely to stay on the forum for a longer period of time and thus post more. Indeed this is especially true of younger forum members (whom are rarer these days) as I know from my own experience i'd often try and reach certain milestones in the post count.

[FlyingJesus]

And? why is this any of your concern and why does it bother you?

They are pointless posts. You not thinking that anything should ever be restricted except for foreigners and homosexuality doesn't mean that rules no longer exist for everyone else. No-one has been stopped from making these posts, just directed to a certain area for it as we are with all threads. Really do not see what the issue can possibly be, especially for people who "don't care" about post counts. If the making and posting in of these threads had been made punishable (as was previously the case) then I'd see your point, but this isn't what's happened

[-:Undertaker:-]

They are pointless posts. You not thinking that anything should ever be restricted except for foreigners and homosexuality

I don't believe that, don't try and slur me.

doesn't mean that rules no longer exist for everyone else. No-one has been stopped from making these posts, just directed to a certain area for it as we are with all threads. Really do not see what the issue can possibly be, especially for people who "don't care" about post counts. If the making and posting in of these threads had been made punishable (as was previously the case) then I'd see your point, but this isn't what's happened

If you don't care about post counts, then why does it matter to you? are you not capable of what me, Ryan and the rest of the forum have done for years which is - if you don't like the look of a thread then don't click on it, and if you don't like a post then you scroll past it and ignore it?

Let the individual manage what he or she reads, rather than moderators micro-managing everything into seperate forums.

[FlyingJesus]

Find me the place where I said that I specifically do not care about post counts (hint: I didn't, and that part wasn't about me), and while you're at it try finding an actual argument against categorising threads, because what we've also done for years is be able to quickly and easily locate or skip over entire areas that either do or do not entice us rather than having one bulletin board of every single thread that's going on without any organisation, and this change has only added to that convenience. YET AGAIN, no posting rights have been removed and no-one has been punished - the grievance you are attempting to fight doesn't exist.

[nvrspk4]

I questioned this too Dan, apparently it's right to ignore the majority for the whines of the minority who simply want to go against the grain. Why these threads have caused such a fuss when every forum in the world has them is beyond me, and then there's this false idea that post counts actually mean something - no forum takes them seriously and they lack any substantial powers! If I hate a type of thread, I ignore them - I don't impose daft, unfounded ideas on the majority because I have a proverbial bee in my bonnet and have the inability to ignore posts, taking each one seriously.

I think that you will find plenty of people saying "post counts don't matter" but if there was suddenly a proposal to remove the post count statistic, there would be a very clear majority against it. In that case I could turn your logic on its head and say that you don't care about post count, but since you don't care why force yours down the side that does care about post count?

Clearly that's not an entirely valid argument but you're approaching the entire debate from the perspective of "post counts don't matter" as a settled and accepted fact, which is far from the truth. Post counts matter on this forum. Ask me what I think about that and I have an opinion more similar to yours.

Also, FJ did do an analysis on the number of posts by those who were vocally opposed to the switch had in those given threads, so he does have some factual basis for his claim.

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Still, that's off from the point of this thread. It seems that Forum Management came to a compromise that pleased a decent number from both sides - keep your current post count, don't count them any more. When you compromise certainly everyone is going to be a little unhappy but can you really argue that for the majority of the forum this change is all negatives?

If the argument is that Management doesn't listen, the rationale provided and the arguments that are cited by management from users from the thread clearly shows that management did listen, took users view into account, and made a decision. If the argument is that the majority of voters voted one way and therefore management is obligated to make that decision, then I would just say that's not how this works, nor is it how this should work.