Gay Poll...

[Richie]

Just so we're clear prison is a tiny room not a noose, right? 'cause I'm lost, I don't know where you are going with the whole death thing.

[-:Undertaker:-]

i get what you are saying, ok so rights should be indevidual and everyone should have equal right no matter who they are, so why then are some people who are fighting for equal rights agaisnt gay people having these same rights??

sam

Because a major concern is that when the gay marriage legislation goes through, although safeguards protecting religious liberty have been put in the bill, at some point in the future gay lobby groups or the European Court of Human Rights are going to anull those safeguards and we'll be then in the circumstance of forcing Churches and other religious groups to carry out gay weddings completely against their will.

See, thats my point and problem with 'equality' and 'anti-discrimination' laws. If gay groups accepted the rights of individuals and private venues to not serve them and turn them away (like the Bed and Breakfast example) then many wouldn't have a problem extending gay marriage to homosexuals even if they didn't agree with the concept of gay marriage - because then nobody would be compulsed under the law to serve anybody they did not want to serve. It is the fact that gay rights are triumphing others peoples individual rights (ie the right to free speech, property rights) that pisses people off.

And thats why gay rights and other group specific rights are a terrible idea, and individual rights a good idea.

[Spoltage]

the thing is churches are not bding forced.. for example i read the church of england alog with other churxhes in the uk are not bei g included.in this law, i dnt know if this is true or not.

js u sound too good at debates and im crap st em

sam

[-:Undertaker:-]

the thing is churches are not bding forced.. for example i read the church of england alog with other churxhes in the uk are not bei g included.in this law, i dnt know if this is true or not.

js u sound too good at debates and im crap st em

sam

Not being forced now but i'm sure will be in the future. Am I really expected to believe that the gay lobby groups such as Stonewall will simply pack up and leave it at that once gay 'marriage' has passed? will they hell. They'll keep pushing and pushing until Churches are forced to comply.

In the same way that they've pushed and pushed so now we have the scary situation where B&B owners (who are Christian too) are now forced to accept gay couples sleeping over even when they don't want anything to do with homosexuality in their own property. Now you may and probably do completely disagree with the stance taken by the B&B couple, but the fact the state can compel them to take in two persons whom they don't want into their own property is a complete betrayal of property rights which are a fundemental keystone of liberty.

[Spoltage]

Not being forced now but i'm sure will be in the future. Am I really expected to believe that the gay lobby groups such as Stonewall will simply pack up and leave it at that once gay 'marriage' has passed? will they hell. They'll keep pushing and pushing until Churches are forced to comply.

In the same way that they've pushed and pushed so now we have the scary situation where B&B owners (who are Christian too) are now forced to accept gay couples sleeping over even when they don't want anything to do with homosexuality in their own property. Now you may and probably do completely disagree with the stance taken by the B&B couple, but the fact the state can compel them to take in two persons whom they don't want into their own property is a complete betrayal of property rights which are a fundemental keystone of liberty.

i paetially agree how some gay groups are going to keep pushing churches and trying to force their belifes and i kinda tthink the b and b owners were kinda in the wrong and the right, i understand why they stuck to their belifes but could they have not offered seperate rooms..

sam

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altough i guess they are still on their property which they didnt want anyways

-shuts up now

sam

[LiquidLuck.]

100% forward. This said, I'm straight unlike someone people of this forum think.

[Succubus]

100% forward. This said, I'm straight unlike someone people of this forum think.

hxhd.. i dont need to finish the rest of that

and on topic: for

[Aiden]

Not being forced now but i'm sure will be in the future. Am I really expected to believe that the gay lobby groups such as Stonewall will simply pack up and leave it at that once gay 'marriage' has passed? will they hell. They'll keep pushing and pushing until Churches are forced to comply.

In the same way that they've pushed and pushed so now we have the scary situation where B&B owners (who are Christian too) are now forced to accept gay couples sleeping over even when they don't want anything to do with homosexuality in their own property. Now you may and probably do completely disagree with the stance taken by the B&B couple, but the fact the state can compel them to take in two persons whom they don't want into their own property is a complete betrayal of property rights which are a fundemental keystone of liberty.

Stonewall are amazing XD

tbh Churches should be forced because its not like someone gonna get married where there not liked lmfaooo

[LiquidLuck.]

hxhd.. i dont need to finish the rest of that

and on topic: for

Oh, I was wondering who the hell Detective was on the top posters.. addict.

Also, yeah, no need to finish that thread specially made for you, Sophie and Charlie.

And I just saw what Richie posted lol, he is right, there was a poll about your sexuality in here and way more than half was gay.

[Succubus]

Just so we're clear prison is a tiny room not a noose, right? 'cause I'm lost, I don't know where you are going with the whole death thing.

whoever said that is probably referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_ri...y_or_territory or something idek how accurate that is.

Oh, I was wondering who the hell Detective was on the top posters.. addict.

Also, yeah, no need to finish that thread specially made for you, Sophie and Charlie.

And I just saw what Richie posted lol, he is right, there was a poll about your sexuality in here and way more than half was gay.

lol shouldn't be surprised.