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think this is actually pretty good

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I specifically remember the post Kromium is referencing and how blown out of proportion it was on the community page. It was over 100 pages long. Moe never gave any indication that he is homophobic. What a lot of people failed to understand was his stance on sexual orientation. He suggested that being gay was not neccessarily a choice but a matter of your surrounding environment: your relationship with your parents, who you identified with, and how either of the two shaped you. As an example, Moe made it a point to mention that many gay people have a strong relationship with one parent, particularly one of the opposing gender. I can admit that for me personally this is partially true. My father was very abusive towards me and my mom, and so naturally, I felt a close bond to my mother and total deprecation towards my dad. However, as a gay person, I can confidently say that being gay is genetic. I know many guys who love both parents equally, are extremely masculine, love sports and do most things the average straight male does... yet they too are gay. However, I can respect his own opinion without resorting to any malicious accusations.

A lot of people jumped the gun and began bashing his opinions immediately. Once people lost sight of his point, he tried further explainingwhat he meant with an example. But it only further escalated things until eventually, the thread was removed by staff entirely (supposedly). He gave an example of two men kissing in a public park. Based on his own opinion, he explained how a young teenager/kid who may be struggling with their own self-identity are strongly influenced by what they see. "Monkey see, monkey do." This doesn't necessarily mean that kid will jump on the next guy they see, but in his opinion, it opens the door to new possibilities.

Now he did made it a point to mention that any public display of affection is not appropriate in certain family environents, but he put a strong emphasis on gays. This is what I feel was poorly explained by Moe and why a lot of people might assume he was homophobic to begin with. Having spoken with him, what he meant was quite simply that most gay individuals would opt with a straight lifestyle. And if we can do anything to minimize the likelyhood of someone growing up to be gay, it would ultimately make their life much easier. You could avoid public scrutiny, the backlash of homophobia, and procreate as we were evolved to do.

While I respect his opinion, it's this line of thinking that perpetuates homophobia. As I mentioned before, being gay is something we're born with and in order for the gay community to be openly accepted both today and in the future, people need to understand this. Until then, homosexuality will continue to be seen as some form of psychosis.

At no point though has moe ever said being gay is wrong. Not in that post, and never once to me in the three years I've known him. As a close friend of Moe and someone who now publicly identifies as a gay male, I feel it's important to mention that Moe was and has always been very supportive to me and other members of the gay community. It's partially because of him and other close friends that I eventually decided to come out to my own parents. That's partially why I decided to make a new account to speak out about this.

Posts merged by Samanfa (Forum Moderator).

He did say that homosexuality should not be encouraged..I know this, I can bet my life on this.

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Fairly certain he also said that homosexuality will increase on encouragement and it will be bad for society. However he meant it...it was homophobic. However you frame the sentence, it will always be homophobic.

The fact that it turned out to be a 100 page long argument obviously tells that people were offended by the post, it was not because he is famous, it was not because he is disliked by most of the people. There was a point where I disliked him a lot and he disliked me a lot but it's been years and I don't have anything against him so I won't make anything up or try to trigger an argument but a fact is a fact. He said this, I am so very sure. The excuse that he "meant something else" is invalid at this point.