David Moyes Sacked!

[Matthew]

Either way, i really hope they bounce back next season.

they're gonna have to spend a lot of money

[RyRy]

I support Everton so I probably feel worse for Moyes than any other person in this thread.

The guy brought my team, languishing in 17th place back in 2002 up to the Champions League places (4th place) by 2006. By the time he left, he'd built a team which will most certainly stand the test of time and will feature some future stars such as John Stones, Ross Barkley & arguably James McCarthy (he comes across as a very Scholesy-esque player). David Moyes needed time to develop his squad, the current squad they had was for the lack of a better word, pants.

Robin Van Persie won Manchester United the title last year and SAF knew that. His introduction changed the game up but as he's been injured for the majority of this season he hasn't made much of an impact in any game. Then we have Wayne Rooney who I believe is a great player and could've been even greater under Moyes, but I can see him leaving Manchester United in the next year or so because no manager other than Moyes or Mourinho would've had him in his plans at Manchester United. The stats show that Rooney has been mediocré this year so don't go spouting otherwise, and he will leave if he wants. Everton fans know that the hard way ("Once a Blue, always a blue")

@Joshirin; you are part of the vast Manchester United group I like to call "Glory Hunters". You expect results because you're Manchester United, you expect to beat small teams because the name of your team alone is enough to score goals. It isn't. David Moyes' only fault in his time at Manchester United is that he didn't push for the sack sooner, leaving Manchester United in the scrap of a relegation battle. If you don't see that possibility then you're even thicker than you've made out in this thread. No team is invincible least of all Manchester United now, that aura of untouchable under SAF was only going to last for so long. SAF knew his golden squads days were numbered and saw the signs, thus jumping ship when he won the title knowing that next season would be no better.

There's sensible United supporters who blame SAF for getting Moyes into the job, but I'd blame the players for not performing under a new manager. Moyes is not the 12th player on the pitch and he cannot score goals. He can talk tactics, but amusingly Manchester United players have been rumoured saying that they don't like being told what to do (as Moyes did do) seeing as they think they knew better as they were the Champions. I'm sure that's a hard pill to swallow, the thought of United players not caring for where United lied in the table just as long as they got rid of David Moyes, but player power is what caused this not his management skills.

Moyes is a tactical genius and I hope he does go to the likes of Newcastle and is given time to build a team from scratch. They're the prime example of what Everton were back in 2002, hardly any GOOD players and lacking that need to actually survive in the Premier League (no offence to Newcastle fans but you have to agree your team has been lacklustre). Give Moyes 6 years at Newcastle and watch as United get beaten by him & his new team in a stroke of sweet revenge. I'd go as far to put money on Newcastle beating United on the double next season, it wouldn't be a bad bet.

United are going to be like how Tottenham, Fulham, Norwich & Cardiff City are. Chelsea, City & Liverpool have settled with a manager but there's not many world-class managers who would even want to go to Manchester United. I've heard fans calling for Klopp to which I say you've got more chance of winning the lottery. I've heard them talking about getting Ancelotti or Guardiola to which I'd say they're wiser than that. van Gaal will most likely go to Tottenham so who does that leave? I hear Paolo Di Canio is free...

[Bankai90]

they're gonna have to spend a lot of money

Yup, i agree. Hope that the Glazer family can be easily persuaded about lending some money for the upcoming manager in order for him to invest on players.

[Spuds]

@RyRy, you honestly still have an affection for David Moyes? Every Evertonian I know (and due to my university choice, I know quite a few) can no longer stand the man. You saw from the general reaction from the Evertonian's at the game on the weekend that he is not held in high regard.

As for calling him a tactical genius, Ryan, I believe you're blinded by a love of a man who showed a bit of loyalty to your club and then threw it back in your face with his behaviour surrounded Fellaini and Baines.

Edit: @Joshirin, is your negative reputation comment going to be the only response I get from you on the subject?

[RyRy]

@RyRy, you honestly still have an affection for David Moyes? Every Evertonian I know (and due to my university choice, I know quite a few) can no longer stand the man. You saw from the general reaction from the Evertonian's at the game on the weekend that he is not held in high regard.

As for calling him a tactical genius, Ryan, I believe you're blinded by a love of a man who showed a bit of loyalty to your club and then threw it back in your face with his behaviour surrounded Fellaini and Baines.

Edit: @Joshirin, is your negative reputation comment going to be the only response I get from you on the subject?

Yeah, well the way he left was terrible and I'll never forgive him for that but when he was with us, the majority of it he did us right. He just wasn't the man to take us that step forward and we needed a refresh. Tim Howard's reaction to those fans truly reflects what Evertonians should be thinking and understanding about that man.

I still think he's a tactical genius though, and given more time at Manchester United I do think he could've been one of the greats.

[Matthew]

Yeah, well the way he left was terrible and I'll never forgive him for that but when he was with us, the majority of it he did us right. He just wasn't the man to take us that step forward and we needed a refresh. Tim Howard's reaction to those fans truly reflects what Evertonians should be thinking and understanding about that man.

I still think he's a tactical genius though, and given more time at Manchester United I do think he could've been one of the greats.

he's a decent manager but not up to the level man united require.

[Adam]

Stupid decision.

[RyRy]

he's a decent manager but not up to the level man united require.

Knew that'd be brought up eventually! That's the thing though he was of that standard but he can't be expected to be up to that standard the moment he steps in the job... Which is the error United are paying the price for now. They're going to have to do this again.

[Matthew]

Knew that'd be brought up eventually! That's the thing though he was of that standard but he can't be expected to be up to that standard the moment he steps in the job... Which is the error United are paying the price for now. They're going to have to do this again.

yeah I agree somewhat.

I think Moyes is just a victim of SAF's success. United haven't had such a dire season for YEARS. Heck, they shouldn't even have won the league last year had chelsea and city been on form but SAF winning it I think deluded some of the fans and the board into thinking that the team was good enough. What's certain is that Moyes had a tremendously hard job, the team was no where near good enough to challenge for the title. But again, Moyes has made some errors too.

What I found funny is all the united fans who have looked down on teams like chelsea for years for sacking managers too soon, with all the "Oh chelsea are classless, nothing like Manchester United. We're not a sacking club".
Well the first time that United have had the slightest need to sack their manager in, what, 2 decades, they've done so. Laughable.

[Joshirin]

I'm going to guess you're still quite young. There's nothing wrong with that at all however it does mean that you've grown up only knowing one thing about your club: success. The older fans I know (30+) have started to come to the sudden realisation that there is no longer that special aura around the club. There was no 'United way', quite frankly it's starting to come across like the vast majority of fans believe you've only ever had two managers in your history: Ferguson and Busby. You had a very successful manager in Ferguson, there was no need to sack him. You're just like any other club when it comes to hiring and firing.

Your current hiring and firing department has recently been chopped and changed; they're not overly experienced so it'll be interesting to see who they get in. You're throwing names around such as Mourinho, Pep, and Klopp however there is hardly any chance of attracting such heavy hitters. Simeone and Klopp will never take over a club outside of the Champions League again.

Your current position is that of Liverpool in 2010. You are a big club without European football in the worlds toughest league. You need to emulate Liverpool to recover; find a genuinely talented manager from a smaller club, rather than chasing European heavyweights.

The big question is, who is that manager? The ship left the docking station last summer and if Everton attain Champions League or Europa League football, the Martinez ship will have truly left the River Mersey and find itself in the Irish Sea; all whilst your club is left paddling in a puddle.

You make good points, yes I'm young and I have only grown up with the success of one manager which was Ferguson who won't ever be able to be replaced, some will say that David Moyes should of had longer, which I don't agree with because I don't think he's good for the job, and obviously nor do the Glazers.

Maybe we don't need some big European big hit, but it will most likely that we will attract one of them even if we aren't in the champions league next year.