John Lewis's new line of hijabs to wear at SCHOOL

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And even more ironic and thus proving how debased your world view is, you'll call ME the bigot for arguing against a garment that treats women as the private property of men... which is a concept that we fought against and largely won a 100 years ago.

please stop talking on behalf of muslims. many, MANY muslims are happy and PROUD to wear the hijab and you would understand that had you asked their side rather than what non-Muslim Britons think. bit ironic you go on about possessive husbands 'forcing' them to wear something when your alternative is to force them out of something they may want. there are muslims who do not wear the hijab, especially in the UK and other muslims accept that so it's not the case of being an oppressive system.

as for 'british ' customs,don't make me laugh?? there are plenty customs here that have been taken from other countries you know?

[Kardan]

It's quite refreshing to see new faces in current affairs.

Anyway, @-:Undertaker:-; what about all the white British women that wear hijabs? Where do they fall in all of this?

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It's quite refreshing to see new faces in current affairs.

Anyway, @-:Undertaker:-; what about all the white British women that wear hijabs? Where do they fall in all of this?

BRAINWASHED AND OPPRESSED INTO IT despite the fact many are drawn to it because they feel wearing the hijab is more respectful to themselves. they like how they only share their body and beauty with special people.

[merier]

@-:Undertaker:-; it's ironic that you talk about British customs when almost everything you would consider fundamentally British was leeched from another country

[karter]

found an interesting post about hijab here (Written by a muslim woman)

I think the first thing is that you misunderstand what the hijab is actually about. It’s a form of worship, something that a Muslim does to please her creator, because she believes that it’s been asked of her to do this. It’s also something that many Muslim women feel liberates them from having to conform to society’s expectations of women. There is literally NOTHING in the Quran which talks about the hijab as something women have to wear because it’s her responsibility to cover herself from the lustful eyes of men. Nothing, zip, nada, zilch. The only thing that comes even close to it is aayat (verses) which asks women AND men to lower their gaze (aka not to ogle/leer at people). Those interpretations come from preconceived misogynistic ideals that men have, it’s extrapolation from the original text.Also the concept of hijab (which literally means ‘cover’ in arabic) is there for men as well. Men are also called upon to be modest in the way they dress in the Quran, in the very same aayah which asks women to do it, in fact.
I also wanted to say— I noticed that you used the phrases ‘it’s wrong to tell a woman what to wear’ and ‘it’s wrong to tell a woman to cover up’— I completely agree with this, but you have to understand that a large majority of the women who wear the hijab CHOOSE to do it. I have not met a single woman who was forced to wear it, and I come from a country where a large majority are Muslims. I probably know more people in my life who wear the hijab than those who don’t, and all of them chose to do it of their own free will.

I know that there are people who are forced to wear it however, and I think that’s horrible, but it’s important to recognise that this is either because of that particular culture or because of misogynistic views or any number of reasons that actually have nothing to do with Islam. Don’t confuse that with the actual teachings of Islam, people find messed up ways to interpret religious text in EVERY religion.
Also, telling a woman to cover up is wrong— but so is telling a woman that she needs to show skin in order to be appealing to men. Is that not what the millions of magazines, the media, and society tells us every day? It goes both ways. Stop telling women what to wear, period, regardless of whether it’s about covering up or showing more skin. That should be solely her choice, no one else gets a say in it.

[Aiden]

I'm kind of split. I don't really care if they wear them or not, it's their decision. But then I feel kind of mean but I'm not a fan of other religions/cultures coming into the mainstream. I don't really believe that Christians should get exclusive religion rights either though... I don't like any kind of religion that affects others in any way.

[FlyingJesus]

Following on from what Karter's posted about the hijab being a form of worship rather than oppression, it should be noted that this is also supposed to be the case for Christian women according to Biblical law, and New Testament at that so the Christian vs Mosaic law argument can't even be invoked; it's been ignored in modern Christian teachings because it's inconvenient to them and Christians don't seem to enjoy following their own teachings or even learning them but it's actually right there in writing

1 Corinthians 11:4-6
Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.

Then again if you use the word Christian in the way Dan does to mean "a white person who picks and chooses morality according to what's easiest for them" it's no surprise that the majority of westerners don't adhere to this

[Sharon]

have you actually heard yourself sometimes dan! i love u and all but you're being a tad extreme in the words you're using. i think it's great that john lewis have opened up and are selling hijabs because like it or not there are plenty of people from different backgrounds and religions and there's no reason why they shouldn't be catered for.

idk why you find it SO hard to accept that this country has many different ppl, and SHOULD HAVE many diff people because it's all about accepting other people that arent the same as u and just getting on with your own life lol if you don't want to wear any '15th century clothing' then don't but i cannot see why you have such a strong problem with people who do

[Kardan]

have you actually heard yourself sometimes dan! i love u and all but you're being a tad extreme in the words you're using. i think it's great that john lewis have opened up and are selling hijabs because like it or not there are plenty of people from different backgrounds and religions and there's no reason why they shouldn't be catered for.

idk why you find it SO hard to accept that this country has many different ppl, and SHOULD HAVE many diff people because it's all about accepting other people that arent the same as u and just getting on with your own life lol if you don't want to wear any '15th century clothing' then don't but i cannot see why you have such a strong problem with people who do

Because they're not white British Christian straight people that support UKIP/Maggie Thatcher?