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    I think it's clear to everyone who's ever used the client frequently enough to know that there are 2 communities at Habbox:

    - the Habbo community.
    Usually younger, more likely to enter competitions, attend events, listen to HxL but not necessarily use the forum. Will give feedback more spontaneously and via discussion rather than the rather rigid feedback forum. Also more banter, gossip and ********.

    - the forum community
    Older, don't regularly use Habbo, less likely to get involved with Habbox activities and stick to discussion, using Habbox more out of habit than because they're active on Habbo or care about creds etc. Active around the forum.

    The problem with Habbox at the moment is that things are often focused on the forum community, they are the most vocal (in forums like this) about what can be improved. Things and new features are often 'targeted' towards the forum community. The Habbo community is dying. Events, when they happen, can take a while to fill up, the help desk is empty during the day, HabboxLive don't have parties or any sort of Habbo interaction. I think a large part of this is precisely because general management do not use Habbo frequently so the only feedback they have to go on is the forum community. That does absolutely nothing for the Habbo community, which is essential for boosting up numbers and keeping Habbox alive long-term because that forum community will eventually slide away with no Habbo community to keep it going. Things need to be targeted towards Habbos, towards 'noobs' and newbies who are more likely to get involved. When I was comps manager, entries increased tenfold because of an increase in advertising on Habbo (which by the way is why I get really annoyed when people say comps isn't a community department just because it's on the forum) and when comps are directed towards getting the forum community involved, it inevitably falls flat.

    TLDR: we need an action plan to address the declining Habbo community and to know what general management are working on to increase our Habbo presence.

    PS I am aware that there is some obvious overlap and that you may not fit neatly into 1 of these categories but generally speaking, it's what I tended to find during my time as AGM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wispur
    I would love to be on client more, but the truth of it is that I really do not have the spare time to spend on client. I don't care if you think it's a classic excuse because you do not understand the pressure that comes with the role. I spend so much time doing tasks that people are requesting, doing permissions and events planning that I couldn't possibly fit anything else in if I tried. This is of course on top of the work I have to do for university and the social life that I try to maintain.
    Sorry, but I can't take anyone serious who says they don't have time, and include doing permissions as one of their tasks. Changing perms takes about 8 seconds (if you're not already on ACP) about 4 if you are. Doing permissions is never going to be a time consuming task (especially as there's very few that even happen per day).

    Quote Originally Posted by Wispur
    And if anyone dares comes out with the line "If you don't have time then resign" then I won't be held responsible for my actions.
    Someone has to do it.. If you don't have time then resign.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wispur
    Organising Charity VIP, Habbox Advent Calendar, Habbox Christmas Challenges
    Again, you say all your times going into that, all you're doing for Charity VIP is throwing a poll up, waiting a while then throwing another poll up. Eventually you'll have to activate another type of VIP for people to buy then that's it..

    Habbox Advent Calendar, the script is already there from previous years so all you've got to do is come up with something for each 'door'. Christmas Challenges are part of Advent Calendar, no?

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    Ok and how do you know I'm not asking them? I find this incredibly hypocritical when I consider what you did during your stint as AGM.
    *REMOVED*

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    No I'm bloody not. Is what I'm doing not good enough for you or something?
    *REMOVED*

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    It's hypocritical no matter which way you look at it. You might not have said you were doing nothing but the fact you never produced anything said it all.
    Again, why you feel the need to target someone who's providing constructive feedback I have no idea.. *REMOVED*

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle
    Chris I don't think a sly -rep telling me to "use the search feature" will suffice in justifying your position or outline your contribution. If you don't respond well to criticism and can't invalidate comments you feel are unfair with any real substance then I suggest you leave the feedback forum, like everything else, to Laura and shonly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empired
    So, General Manager, how are you going to respond to the feedback about you needing to be on the client more?
    By targeting previous AGMs, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inseriousity. View Post
    I think it's clear to everyone who's ever used the client frequently enough to know that there are 2 communities at Habbox:

    - the Habbo community.
    Usually younger, more likely to enter competitions, attend events, listen to HxL but not necessarily use the forum. Will give feedback more spontaneously and via discussion rather than the rather rigid feedback forum. Also more banter, gossip and ********.

    - the forum community
    Older, don't regularly use Habbo, less likely to get involved with Habbox activities and stick to discussion, using Habbox more out of habit than because they're active on Habbo or care about creds etc. Active around the forum.

    The problem with Habbox at the moment is that things are often focused on the forum community, they are the most vocal (in forums like this) about what can be improved. Things and new features are often 'targeted' towards the forum community. The Habbo community is dying. Events, when they happen, can take a while to fill up, the help desk is empty during the day, HabboxLive don't have parties or any sort of Habbo interaction. I think a large part of this is precisely because general management do not use Habbo frequently so the only feedback they have to go on is the forum community. That does absolutely nothing for the Habbo community, which is essential for boosting up numbers and keeping Habbox alive long-term because that forum community will eventually slide away with no Habbo community to keep it going. Things need to be targeted towards Habbos, towards 'noobs' and newbies who are more likely to get involved. When I was comps manager, entries increased tenfold because of an increase in advertising on Habbo (which by the way is why I get really annoyed when people say comps isn't a community department just because it's on the forum) and when comps are directed towards getting the forum community involved, it inevitably falls flat.

    TLDR: we need an action plan to address the declining Habbo community and to know what general management are working on to increase our Habbo presence.

    PS I am aware that there is some obvious overlap and that you may not fit neatly into 1 of these categories but generally speaking, it's what I tended to find during my time as AGM.
    Spot on here. I'll +rep you when I've finished this post as I think this is right on the money. I'd say I overlap as I use Habbo regularly but have no interest in credits, competitions or HabboxLive anymore.

    General Management need to scout around the Hotel and find out what younger Habbos enjoy. Take notes from what other fansites are doing. ThisHabbo currently has an event on with 19 people on it. 19 people! At 12:45pm on a weekday! Just to put that in perspective, the Help Desk has two people in it: me and davecool656

    Also look around the most popular rooms on Habbo. What do they offer that Habbox doesn't? Obviously we can't offer army rooms or anything but look at the events that are held, look at party rooms, look at RP rooms.
    Perhaps try and collaborate with popular Habbo users. Can't think of any myself but I'm sure you could find some people.

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    Well, this whole thing showed laura in a much better light for me. But I'm sorry Chris, perms, VIP etc is a FORUM MANAGERS job.

    It shouldnt be up to you at all, if the agm structure was set right you would have time to come up with some ideas to bring in new members and go on the client a bit more.

    Delegate things, sho and Laura definitely seem willing to help and eliviate you and if you want come up with anything, well then there's a problem.

    Would also like to know what our agms thought about the session themselves.

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    Il do a proper reply about the session later if you'd like Sian, I've got some time over lunch - i was in a bad light before though????

    I'm more than happy o help out with other stuff, I mean I already do quite a lot around various departments but planning and things or just coming up with ideas (the 12 days of Xmas was my idea!!) I love doing.

    As I said in the room my role means that it's my responsibility that we offer things the community will use and want, and that things are as up to date as they can be. I've been making lot more of an effort recently to talk to people on and off client - the thing is when I am on I don't spend a lot of time in Habbox rooms - most people in there are already HABBOX members!! I've mainly been focusing on talking to new members of staff but they are the ones crucial to making sure what we provide content-wise is the best it can be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by scottish View Post
    Sorry, but I can't take anyone serious who says they don't have time, and include doing permissions as one of their tasks. Changing perms takes about 8 seconds (if you're not already on ACP) about 4 if you are. Doing permissions is never going to be a time consuming task (especially as there's very few that even happen per day).
    Yes Scott, because the only thing I do is permissions. :rolleyes:

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    Again, you say all your times going into that, all you're doing for Charity VIP is throwing a poll up, waiting a while then throwing another poll up. Eventually you'll have to activate another type of VIP for people to buy then that's it..
    Oh so visiting each charity site, finding a description and making sure they're registered charities doesn't come into it then? All you ever do is belittle everything and thats down to the fact that you don't have any understanding of how long they take when they're combined.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottish View Post
    Habbox Advent Calendar, the script is already there from previous years so all you've got to do is come up with something for each 'door'. Christmas Challenges are part of Advent Calendar, no?
    I admit it's the easiest one of the lot, but I'm trying to find and come up with questions that haven't been used in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sian View Post
    Well, this whole thing showed laura in a much better light for me. But I'm sorry Chris, perms, VIP etc is a FORUM MANAGERS job.
    Wrong. Permissions need setting up on the forum, habbox.com and then HabboxLive if thats relevant. Forum management have nothing to do with it. VIP is a features manager job which isn't something I do anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sian View Post
    It shouldnt be up to you at all, if the agm structure was set right you would have time to come up with some ideas to bring in new members and go on the client a bit more.

    Delegate things, sho and Laura definitely seem willing to help and eliviate you and if you want come up with anything, well then there's a problem.
    Theres nothing wrong with the structure. Laura and Sho have their own jobs to do so I'm not going to pile anything else onto them when I'm quite capable of doing it myself.
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    Yes Scott, because the only thing I do is permissions.
    Not sure if you're stupid or can't read, I'll reiterate that for you, if you're trying to state 'oh I have so much to do' don't include permissions (even though as mentioned above this should be done by Forum Management not you) as it takes seconds to do.

    Oh so visiting each charity site, finding a description and making sure they're registered charities doesn't come into it then? All you ever do is belittle everything and thats down to the fact that you don't have any understanding of how long they take when they're combined.
    It's hardly an effort, 99% charities will have a description on Google, Wiki or their 'About Us' page. Again, each has their registered charity number on their footer in 99% of cases. If that fails then http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk...rhomepage.aspx again each has a description and whether they're registered or not on there.

    I don't underestimate everything, I appropriately estimate the time it takes to perform various tasks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottish View Post
    Not sure if you're stupid or can't read, I'll reiterate that for you, if you're trying to state 'oh I have so much to do' don't include permissions (even though as mentioned above this should be done by Forum Management not you) as it takes seconds to do.
    So because permissions don't take long, they shouldn't be included? Every task alone doesn't take long to do, its when you add them all together that you start to see how much time Habbox takes.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottish View Post
    It's hardly an effort, 99% charities will have a description on Google, Wiki or their 'About Us' page. Again, each has their registered charity number on their footer in 99% of cases. If that fails then http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk...rhomepage.aspx again each has a description and whether they're registered or not on there.

    I don't underestimate everything, I appropriately estimate the time it takes to perform various tasks.
    Well you don't estimate it very well then.
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    A task that literally takes seconds is not worth adding. Especially if you're trying to act as if it's time consuming.

    Well you don't estimate it very well then.
    I must do.

    It took me 15 minutes to look through the 7 pages, note down every charity find out if they're registered and get a description..



    Formatting will be ****, but the point stands. It's not time consuming. I started that about a minute after I posted my previous reply btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottish View Post
    A task that literally takes seconds is not worth adding. Especially if you're trying to act as if it's time consuming.



    I must do.

    It took me 15 minutes to look through the 7 pages, note down every charity find out if they're registered and get a description..



    Formatting will be ****, but the point stands. It's not time consuming. I started that about a minute after I posted my previous reply btw.
    Right... and how do I know you didn't just go to the thread and copy it all? To be honest, I don't care what you have to say Scott. If you have something useful to say then say it, otherwise don't bother posting. If you don't like how Habbox is being run then you know where the door is.
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