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    I really don't understand how anyone can think that being gay is a choice.

    Why would anyone choose to be possibly alienated and bullied by their family, friends, society in general?

    They wouldn't, which is why most remain in the closet for long periods of time.

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    This was a talked about topic in my sociology class and my professor told us why not let us pick what we want to wear as kids? For instance he told us how this 4 year old boy wanted to wear a dress to school and his parents didn't let him. Our professor then went into detail on his parents should of let him he is only four. Another is how we distinct colors to gender like if a baby is wearing pink then its defined a girl and if a baby wears blue it's defined being a boy. I feel like you should let your kids choose what they want to do and be who they want to be, however they're limits to this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by .ExtremeSlayer View Post
    This was a talked about topic in my sociology class and my professor told us why not let us pick what we want to wear as kids? For instance he told us how this 4 year old boy wanted to wear a dress to school and his parents didn't let him. Our professor then went into detail on his parents should of let him he is only four. Another is how we distinct colors to gender like if a baby is wearing pink then its defined a girl and if a baby wears blue it's defined being a boy. I feel like you should let your kids choose what they want to do and be who they want to be, however they're limits to this.
    I would argue that that would count under gender orientation (is gender orientation a thing?) rather than sexual orientation. I dont know that much about gender as I've always been happy as a female and that's that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .ExtremeSlayer View Post
    This was a talked about topic in my sociology class and my professor told us why not let us pick what we want to wear as kids? For instance he told us how this 4 year old boy wanted to wear a dress to school and his parents didn't let him. Our professor then went into detail on his parents should of let him he is only four. Another is how we distinct colors to gender like if a baby is wearing pink then its defined a girl and if a baby wears blue it's defined being a boy. I feel like you should let your kids choose what they want to do and be who they want to be, however they're limits to this.
    Disagree but what do you think the limits to it are?


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    What is this weak parenting that is so trendy? "Let your kids wear what they want" erm no the children will wear what I as the parent will want them to wear.

    It's bad enough that people think dressing boys as girls is normal in anyway yet on top of that they want to be sissies to their own children as well by not instilling any concept of order into the child by making sure that they know you as the parent decides. I am the parent and I will decide what you wear. End of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    What is this weak parenting that is so trendy? "Let your kids wear what they want" erm no the children will wear what I as the parent will want them to wear.

    It's bad enough that people think dressing boys as girls is normal in anyway yet on top of that they want to be sissies to their own children as well by not instilling any concept of order into the child by making sure that they know you as the parent decides. I am the parent and I will decide what you wear. End of.
    Your children are being sent to boarding school on their fifth birthdays, joining the army at 17 and are being expected to die for their country by the age of 21 aren't they.

    You can tell your kid what to wear and they'll probably do it when they set out of the house in the morning. But whatever you send them out of the house in will in no way resemble what they come home in because they're kids and they'll cover themselves in all sorts, pick at their hair all day, and kick off and forget about their shoes at the earlier opportunity.
    But as soon as that child hits 13 there is absolutely no ******* way they will wear what you tell them. In fact, if you tell you them they can't wear a dress they will deliberately go out of their way to find a dress just to piss you off. Teenagers are not dogs. Tell them to sit and they'll make sure they never sit down again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empired View Post
    Your children are being sent to boarding school on their fifth birthdays, joining the army at 17 and are being expected to die for their country by the age of 21 aren't they.
    My children won't grow up spoilt.
    My children will have manners.
    My children will respect authority.
    My children will know right from wrong.
    My children will be proud of their area and their country.

    That's right. I realise in 2015 that is totally uncool and so not trendy, but hey they'll thank me when they reach my age.

    Quote Originally Posted by Empired
    You can tell your kid what to wear and they'll probably do it when they set out of the house in the morning. But whatever you send them out of the house in will in no way resemble what they come home in because they're kids and they'll cover themselves in all sorts, pick at their hair all day, and kick off and forget about their shoes at the earlier opportunity.
    But as soon as that child hits 13 there is absolutely no ******* way they will wear what you tell them. In fact, if you tell you them they can't wear a dress they will deliberately go out of their way to find a dress just to piss you off. Teenagers are not dogs. Tell them to sit and they'll make sure they never sit down again.
    You confuse teenagers with what I am talking about, children.

    But I won't have a spoilt brat as a teenager in my house either. My house, my rules.





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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    My children won't grow up spoilt.
    My children will have manners.
    My children will respect authority.
    My children will know right from wrong.
    My children will be proud of their area and their country.

    That's right. I realise in 2015 that is totally uncool and so not trendy, but hey they'll thank me when they reach my age.



    You confuse teenagers with what I am talking about, children.

    But I won't have a spoilt brat as a teenager in my house either. My house, my rules.


    I wish you luck with this approach. I really do but I can't help but worry that the approach you're taking is pretty much loveless.

    And I don't understand why you're not talking about children AND teenagers. Surely your kids are going to grow up to become teenagers? Or are you hoping they're gonna wake up on their 13th birthday but wow! they're 20!? Unless you're planning to "bring them up" (I use the term loosely here) until they're 12 and then just kick them out.

    But seriously, good luck with that. Children aren't brainless robots you can program your beliefs into. Kids AND teenagers make mistakes, and they deliberately undermine authority just because they ******* well can. Expecting them to be perfect little clones doesn't mean they will be, and you'd be a daft to think that they will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empired View Post
    I wish you luck with this approach. I really do but I can't help but worry that the approach you're taking is pretty much loveless.
    To me what is 'loveless' is allowing a child to get into a position where he or she is taking drugs. What is 'loveless' is having a child who has no manners and no respect for his or her elders. What is 'loveless' is not drumming what I listed above into them as they are the next generation: they are the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Empired
    But seriously, good luck with that. Children aren't brainless robots you can program your beliefs into. Kids AND teenagers make mistakes, and they deliberately undermine authority just because they ******* well can. Expecting them to be perfect little clones doesn't mean they will be, and you'd be a daft to think that they will.
    Oh of course, and that is the challenge of parenting.

    But my parents kept me in line whenever I stepped out of it, mainly via smacking, as I would the same.

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    You're right kids with strict parents never act out and turn to drugs or anything
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