Organ Donation - Yes or No?

[scottish]

"I accept that you don't want to for whatever reason but I myself cannot understand it."

"organ donors are turning into vegans basically can't accept that people don't share their views
yea I am one but I get real tired of people bashing those who aren't"


Get a grip.

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Not understanding something isn't the same as not tolerating it. I accept that you don't want to for whatever reason but I myself cannot understand it. If i quoted you and attacked your reasons then fair enough, but posting that I don't understand something is being intolerant, really?

im a donor. ive said it twice already in this thread. i'm a donor because people like you and others in this thread make me feel like im a terrible person for not doing it.
you say you can't understand it but people on here have given:

religious/spiritual reasons
family reasons
because they simply feel uncomfortable with it

saying you don't understand it when people have given their reasons is intolerant imo. i understand why people don't want to do it because of religious reasons despite the fact im not religious myself? that's what i mean by people being unaccepting of others beliefs.

[The Don]

"I accept that you don't want to for whatever reason but I myself cannot understand it."

"organ donors are turning into vegans basically can't accept that people don't share their views
yea I am one but I get real tired of people bashing those who aren't"


Get a grip.

Clearly you've never heard of talking in a general sense.

[The Don]

im a donor. ive said it twice already in this thread. i'm a donor because people like you and others in this thread make me feel like im a terrible person for not doing it.

Made you feel terrible how? By not understanding the thought that people care about their organs after death despite the fact that I haven’t commented judging people for said belief?

you say you can't understand it but people on here have given:

religious/spiritual reasons
family reasons
because they simply feel uncomfortable with it

Yes, I’ve read their reasons and still don’t understand them. I understand the religious ones but I don’t understand why somebody would feel uncomfortable about somebody else being given their heart after they’ve died, that doesn’t mean I don’t respect their opinion or think they’re bad people for having it. Nor do I think they shouldn’t be allowed to express their opinions or that they should be forced to donate their organs after they die.

saying you don't understand it when people have given their reasons is intolerant imo. i understand why people don't want to do it because of religious reasons despite the fact im not religious myself? that's what i mean by people being unaccepting of others beliefs.

I view intolerance as not respecting beliefs that differ from yours. Not understanding or disagreeing with something doesn’t mean I don’t respect it. The only person who has shown intolerance in this thread is Scott.

What's the point of having a debates section if you can't question somebody's opinion? Like you've said before a lot is lost through text so maybe you've interpreted something as being said maliciously when that's not how I meant it. Either way I don't think people are bad for not wanting to give away their organs.

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Made you feel terrible how? By not understanding the thought that people care about their organs after death despite the fact that I haven’t commented judging people for said belief?

Yes, I’ve read their reasons and still don’t understand them. I understand the religious ones but I don’t understand why somebody would feel uncomfortable about somebody else being given their heart after they’ve died, that doesn’t mean I don’t respect their opinion or think they’re bad people for having it. Nor do I think they shouldn’t be allowed to express their opinions or that they should be forced to donate their organs after they die.

i was saying it about everyone in the thread suggesting that people who donate deserve organs more than me who doesn't want to. you took it personally as though i was only talking about you. i would call these intolerant:

I think if you would be willing to accept someone else's organs, should you ever need them then you should be willing to give yours should that time come

I take the view that if you need an organ, you'd say yes to one in a heartbeat. If you'd be so willing to take them, why are you refusing to give them away? I'd almost say I don't see why you should be allowed to accept organ donations if you're not prepared to give them up yourself.

i called these intolerant because it's saying if you do not donate you do not deserve priority to live despite the fact we have given valid reasons for not wanting to donate. it feels ****.

you said yourself:

• Should a non-donor receive a heart over/before somebody that would be willing to donate theirs?

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  then should a registered donor who has smoked and ate their organs to death deserve an organ over someone not registered to donate, who got into an accident and desperately needs to live? it's not as black and white as that. say your family member gonna die and they're not a registered donor and the doctor puts priority over a chain smoking alcoholic then yeah let me see your views then.
  
  

  What's the point of having a debates section if you can't question somebody's opinion? Like you've said before a lot is lost through text so maybe you've interpreted something as being said maliciously when that's not how I meant it. Either way I don't think people are bad for not wanting to give away their organs.

  i'm debating if you haven't noticed. i made a comment about MANY OTHERS IN THE THREAD being intolerant (eg my above examples). you picked my post and took it personally.
  
  but don't worry guys. i've now filled out a form to opt out.

[The Don]

i was saying it about everyone in the thread suggesting that people who donate deserve organs more than me who doesn't want to. you took it personally as though i was only talking about you. i would call these intolerant:

You said “because people like you and others in this thread make me feel like im a terrible person” so I was asking how I made you feel terrible…

you said yourself “Should a non-donor receive a heart over/before somebody that would be willing to donate theirs?”

Playing Devil’s Advocate to Kyle, yes…

then should a registered donor who has smoked and ate their organs to death deserve an organ over someone not registered to donate, who got into an accident and desperately needs to live? it's not as black and white as that.

Of course it’s not black and white, nobody said it was. The idea of prioritizing registered donors is so that more people sign up as donors. The better idea would be an opt out system which I said before.

i'm debating if you haven't noticed. i made a comment about MANY OTHERS IN THE THREAD being intolerant (eg my above examples).

I didn’t see you say a word to your boyfriend when he was incredibly rude to someone else because of their views earlier but because other people have made you feel bad by expressing their views you’re suddenly giving lessons of morality to people. You didn’t seem to care about it earlier when other people (empired) were made to feel bad yet suddenly you do now that the shoe is on the other foot.

you picked my post and took it personally.

I replied to your post because only Me, Kyle and Scott had made posts since your previous post before it so obviously some of it was aimed at one of us. Turns out some of it was aimed at me so my assumption was correct.

but don't worry guys. i've now filled out a form to opt out.[/INDENT][/LIST]

Why would I care lol? I’m not a donor myself.

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You said “because people like you and others in this thread make me feel like im a terrible person” so I was asking how I made you feel terrible…

oh jesus. people LIKE you. people who say those who donate deserve donations more than those who haven't registered. aka people irl too. like the woman sitting next to me asking me to donate and judging me when i hesitated. hence why i'm a donor. but not for long.

Of course it’s not black and white, nobody said it was. The idea of prioritizing registered donors is so that more people sign up as donors. The better idea would be an opt out system which I said before.

sounds a bit abusive "give your organs or you don't get any".

I didn’t see you say a word to your boyfriend when he was incredibly rude to someone else because of their views earlier but because other people have made you feel bad by expressing their views you’re suddenly giving lessons of morality to people. You didn’t seem to care about it earlier when other people (empired) were made to feel bad yet suddenly you do now that the shoe is on the other foot.

oh god ****. i disagree with scott on MANY things but i am not his mother. he can say what he wants and i'm not here to give him a row. i'm here to debate with YOU and other people in this thread. you've got nothing else to say to my posts so you have to make it personal and try to invalidate my posts because i so happen to agree with my boyfriend? when i disagree with him no one has a problem lmao! don't take my relationship with scott in to this because it has NOTHING to do with what i'm posting. if that's the best you can do then i am not 'debating' with you.
like i already said in my previous post, when i called people intolerant i said it went for scott as well.
you have no idea how much times i've told scott he's being rude, intolerant and needs to stop. i just do it privately. he is not my pet or son.

I replied to your post because only Me, Kyle and Scott had made posts since your previous post before it so obviously some of it was aimed at one of us. Turns out some of it was aimed at me so my assumption was correct.

and i realised a new argument to which i replied to the thread. i said guys there too, which suggests i'm talking to many (and it included scott actually! as i already said!) not just you.

Why would I care lol? I’m not a donor myself.

not everything is about you. i said GUYS. not akeam.

[The Don]

oh jesus. people LIKE you. people who say those who donate deserve donations more than those who haven't registered. aka people irl too. like the woman sitting next to me asking me to donate and judging me when i hesitated. hence why i'm a donor. but not for long.

I haven’t judged anyone in this thread for not donating organs. I’m not a donor myself. Blaming me, or people like me, for you feeling bad isn’t fair. This is a debate thread about organ donations for crying out loud, if you don’t want people from the other side of the spectrum to voice their opinions then don’t read the thread.

sounds a bit abusive "give your organs or you don't get any".

Nope, didn’t say don’t give any to non-donors.

oh god ****. i disagree with scott on MANY things but i am not his mother. he can say what he wants and i'm not here to give him a row. i'm here to debate with YOU and other people in this thread.

If you felt so strongly about intolerance then surely you would’ve said something, right?

you've got nothing else to say to my posts so you have to make it personal and try to invalidate my posts because i so happen to agree with my boyfriend?

Aside from all the other paragraphs I’ve been writing?

when i disagree with him no one has a problem lmao! don't take my relationship with scott in to this because it has NOTHING to do with what i'm posting. if that's the best you can do then i am not 'debating' with you.
like i already said in my previous post, when i called people intolerant i said it went for scott as well.

I’m not making it a point about your relationship with Scott, I’m making a point about your HYPOCRISY. You complain about ‘intolerance’ when people disagree with you yet don’t even bat an eyelid when there’s extreme intolerance coming from your side of the argument.

not everything is about you. i said GUYS. not akeam.

Obviously it wasn’t just at me but I’m not psychic, if you don’t address people how am I meant to know who you’re referring to? I'm also perfectly entitled to respond to points that aren't necessarily addressed to me.

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i said to him irl "scott stop being intolerant of other people's views. if you want to debate someone do it without swearing or no one will take you seriously". in fact i constantly ask him irl/skype to please leave things because he's being rude. i've got +reps for talking out against him. i've give him -rep. i said in this thread everyone was being intolerant (eg both sides). i'm my own person with my own views and i don't need to publicly tell him off.

i'm finished debating when my posts are going to be invalidated because "i didn't tell my boyfriend off" (even though i did both publicly and privately). @scottish; you are free to do what you want now. i'll no longer tell you off privately or publicly.

[The Don]

i said to him irl "scott stop being intolerant of other people's views. if you want to debate someone do it without swearing or no one will take you seriously". in fact i constantly ask him irl/skype to please leave things because he's being rude. i've got +reps for talking out against him. i've give him -rep. i said in this thread everyone was being intolerant (eg both sides). i'm my own person with my own views and i don't need to publicly tell him off.

i'm finished debating when my posts are going to be invalidated because "i didn't tell my boyfriend off" (even though i did both publicly and privately). @scottish; you are free to do what you want now. i'll no longer tell you off privately or publicly.

I apologise for not being omniscient. I hear, I know. I see, I remember and all that jazz. All I can comment on is what I see and in this thread you appeared hypocritical by calling out people for intolerance/not accepting other opinions when views contrary to your own were being expressed but not before. Either way whatever, I’ve said what I had to say.