US Supreme Court rules gay marriage is legal nationwide

[xxMATTGxx]

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— White House Archived (@ObamaWhiteHouse) June 27, 2015

[Kardan]

Go America!

[Matt]

good news. I personally think it's about time this happened and I hope a majority of other countries follow (cough Australia). I understand people are angry that the federal government got involved, but I'm all for consistency and think it's about time they did. America has the power to sway other countries too and I hope Tony Abbot finally sees sense and does the same (or at least does a referendum or something lol).

[-:Undertaker:-]

good news. I personally think it's about time this happened and I hope a majority of other countries follow (cough Australia). I understand people are angry that the federal government got involved, but I'm all for consistency and think it's about time they did. America has the power to sway other countries too and I hope Tony Abbot finally sees sense and does the same (or at least does a referendum or something lol).

Why would you be pushing for consistency in what is a federal state? That's like wishing the rules of gravity away.

[Matt]

Why would you be pushing for consistency in what is a federal state? That's like wishing the rules of gravity away.

Because I think everyone has the right to marry who they love, regardless. Having some states legalising it and others not, isn't fair. I don't really care about the political view concerning marriage equality at all and think it's wrong for politicians to be deciding who can marry who.

Your post confused me tbh as I didn't understand the federal state part or what the gravity bit had to do with marriage so I just guessed.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Because I think everyone has the right to marry who they love, regardless. Having some states legalising it and others not, isn't fair. I don't really care about the political view concerning marriage equality at all and think it's wrong for politicians to be deciding who can marry who.

Your post confused me tbh as I didn't understand the federal state part or what the gravity bit had to do with marriage so I just guessed.

Yeah but that it my point. It doesn't matter what you think when you live in a federal state. It matters what you think in relation to your own home state, but other states which may have different opinions to your own? It's none of your business. The idea is that they are left to their own affairs in a federal state. If you start to use federal authorities to impose your will, then what is in future to stop those with completely opposite opinions to you doing the same to your home state. Answer: nothing, and that's a great shame because America is now going to see more and more centralisation over issues which aren't federal issues.

If the Republicans legislated at a federal level to ban abortion, make divorse easier and restore the death penalty you'd be pretty pissed, right?

[Matt]

Yeah but that it my point. It doesn't matter what you think when you live in a federal state. It matters what you think in relation to your own home state, but other states which may have different opinions to your own? It's none of your business. The idea is that they are left to their own affairs in a federal state. If you start to use federal authorities to impose your will, then what is in future to stop those with completely opposite opinions to you doing the same to your home state. Answer: nothing, and that's a great shame because America is now going to see more and more centralisation over issues which aren't federal issues.

If the Republicans legislated at a federal level to ban abortion, make divorse easier and restore the death penalty you'd be pretty pissed, right?

I don't understand any of that.

I think you belong to a very small minority who is against this. Look at social media.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't understand any of that.

You know how America has states right? The United States is designed to have a federal government which looks after issues such as military, foreign affairs, central banking and the US states are then incharge of their own education, healthcare, social policy, transport etc. This is unlike the United Kingdom where we have one sovereign parliament which can make decisions on anything for the whole of the country.

And my point is, by you ignoring the political setup of the US to have your gay marriage implemented "because consistency" means this: what is to then stop somebody like me who wants the death penalty restored imposing it on states you'd feel at home at such as California, Washington or New York?

You wouldn't like it in the same way that states like Alabama, Texas and Tennessee don't like your side using federal powers to impose gay marriage on them.

I think you belong to a very small minority who is against this. Look at social media.

I haven't actually expressed an opinion on the matter itself and my thinking on that would probably surprise you.

In any case, it's common for people to confuse Facebook, Twitter, celebrities and their circle of friends as public opinion. The fact is that whenever gay marriage has come up for a public vote in America, it has been voted down. Despite state backing. Despite polling. Despite celebrity backing. Despite millions in funding from activist groups. Those who oppose it, at least in the US, are actually - going by actual votes and not Twitter - the majority (just).

[shiver]

is this undertaker dude for real? such bitterness over a happy occasion! someone take one for the team and massage his prostate and his opinion might change

CONGRATS GAY AMERICANS, LIVE IN HAPPINESS 5EVA!

[Chippiewill]

And my point is, by you ignoring the political setup of the US to have your gay marriage implemented "because consistency" means this: what is to then stop somebody like me who wants the death penalty restored imposing it on states you'd feel at home at such as California, Washington or New York?

If you could argue it's against the constitution not to have the death penalty then go right ahead.