Doctor Who - Series 6.

[simplymagic]

Thought it was a banging episode. I can't believe dr who has ended for now though :/.

[Lost_Addict]

Why is noone talking about the cliffhanger after the episode?

For those who missed it, it consisted of a skeleton arm holding the sonic screwdriver until it faded.

I believe this is to link with the cliffhanger that he will fall further than he has ever done before (Which clearly didn't happen in that episode)

I thought this episode took time to build which i wasn't in favour of but unexpectantly i enjoyed the overal outcome of the episode.

[Chippiewill]

Problem is, they built it up like a full season finale so it kind of lacked the content because a finale over several parts can be like PreviousEpisodeMystery-Mystery-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-Punchline-Goodbye however because they only had one episode it kinda felt like PreviousEpisodeMystery-Mystery-CONTENT-Punchline and because of that it really felt like they were hyping a punchline rather than a story.

[Nuct]

A few theories have now come into place, including my now partially backed-up theory about River being the little girl that regenerated in Day of the Moon. It is something more likely to happen, but there may be a separate story to do with that specific person.

This is either huge coincidence (i.e. being the same track) or intended, but the exact same music sample (well, slightly extended) was played during the little girl's regeneration and River's speech about her being

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Amy and Rory's daughter.

[Lost_Addict]

For anyone that missed it this is the S6 Part 2 teaser

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMFfd00FwVE

[Chris]

Good episode but I think everyone knew that was gonna happen.:L

[joshuar]

I keep my head down on here now but thought I'd chip in my opinion. I don't like being constantly negative about anything and tend to see the best in everything so I don't expect anybody to agree with this.

I think both Moffat and Davies are great Head Writers, both brining their own flavours of how to do things. My issue with Davies was that it didn't appear that he thought too far ahead about anything, just took it one series at a time which resulted in these "biggest ever endings" and then everything reset for the stand alone stories to start again with the occasional hint to a series arc. With Moffat, I think he's thought much further ahead and planned things to stretch across different periods of time, rather than starting at episode 1 wrapping everything up at once with one big finale. I personally prefer this style as it feels like there is always something to consider even when the series has finished. Although, Moffat can tend to have too much running at once and you forget certain plots that are on-going until they finally reappear, and you need to go back and see what they were about again.

I don't think there is any need to take it so seriously, just take it with a pinch of salt and the fact that it is, after all, sci-fi and (most importantly, just) TV. This isn't a dig at anybody as I understand you are all big fans and just want to see the series do well.

With regards to tonight's episode, I thought it was great, finally revealing some long awaited secrets (I don't read anything about it on the internet before the episodes, so I didn't know what to expect from River Song, just my own ideas) and the raw emotion of the Doctor when his companions were in danger. Matt Smith has outdone himself acting wise this series, with my favourite episode being the Doctor's Wife.

[Rashelly]

A few theories have now come into place, including my now partially backed-up theory about River being the little girl that regenerated in Day of the Moon. It is something more likely to happen, but there may be a separate story to do with that specific person.

Well, yeah... That's not really a theory now, it's pretty much confirmed that it's her. The interesting thing now is what happens next

I keep my head down on here now but thought I'd chip in my opinion. I don't like being constantly negative about anything and tend to see the best in everything so I don't expect anybody to agree with this.

I think both Moffat and Davies are great Head Writers, both brining their own flavours of how to do things. My issue with Davies was that it didn't appear that he thought too far ahead about anything, just took it one series at a time which resulted in these "biggest ever endings" and then everything reset for the stand alone stories to start again with the occasional hint to a series arc. With Moffat, I think he's thought much further ahead and planned things to stretch across different periods of time, rather than starting at episode 1 wrapping everything up at once with one big finale. I personally prefer this style as it feels like there is always something to consider even when the series has finished. Although, Moffat can tend to have too much running at once and you forget certain plots that are on-going until they finally reappear, and you need to go back and see what they were about again.

I don't think there is any need to take it so seriously, just take it with a pinch of salt and the fact that it is, after all, sci-fi and (most importantly, just) TV. This isn't a dig at anybody as I understand you are all big fans and just want to see the series do well.

With regards to tonight's episode, I thought it was great, finally revealing some long awaited secrets (I don't read anything about it on the internet before the episodes, so I didn't know what to expect from River Song, just my own ideas) and the raw emotion of the Doctor when his companions were in danger. Matt Smith has outdone himself acting wise this series, with my favourite episode being the Doctor's Wife.

Totally agree. It's easy to say "this is so obvious, we all knew it was" but to the casual viewer, it wasn't obvious (although there were several clues along the way). It's good writing, anyway (doesn't matter if you guessed the outcome or not). And now that we know who River really is... That's not the end. There's half a season left...

I can understand why people don't like the Moffat-style show... but I think a bandwagon has kind of formed in the Whovian community where it's now "cool" to hate Moffat.

Personally, I like the show now. For me, it's more interesting and enjoyable. Don't get me wrong, I pretty much love all seasons (well, apart from most episodes of season 1 which IMo are... meh)
That's the great thing about Doctor Who... Literally every season is different (IMO), if you don't like one season you can pick it up another year.

I don't even know where I'm going with the post, it seems to be long... And I can't remember what I've written, so it might not make sense. Early morning rambling!

[Fez]

I can understand why people don't like the Moffat-style show... but I think a bandwagon has kind of formed in the Whovian community where it's now "cool" to hate Moffat.

Saying that means it's "not cool" to like him? That I'm some sort of elitist given that I despise the direction the show is going in? That's fine though, I get called an elitist all the time for having a free opinion.

I have my reasons, you have mine for that but don't tell me that I'm doing this for the sake of some sort of 'higher recognition' because this is a children's show that I grew up with, cried over and fell in love with. I only dislike and critique both writers so much because I love it so much and I might be a tad too picky because it's still the greatest show known to man. Except I can't bare to watch it, in my eyes, decrease in quality and fall from grace any longer with everything I've already outlined. Hence why I'm giving it up after this series.

I'll be serious, I am part of the minority here but I don't feel empowered voicing my opinion about a show I love. It hurts, honest, and that's why I'm giving it up. What I would like, however, is to not be called an 'elitist' or that I'm doing this for another sake other than the fact I'm a Whovian and I probably always will be just not a Moffvian if you get my drift. You can enjoy the show and I can go back and finally dive into the classic series after the odd bite.

I'm trying not to sound like a complete **** but saying that people who have a different opinion, with reasons for that opinion, are doing it for the sake of "being cool" is pretty much saying that they're wrong and you're right. I'm a part of many Doctor Who messaging boards (Gallifreybase, here etc.) and I've seen people who share my opinion and a massive share who don't like it. It doesn't mean I'm a hipster for saying "I did it before anyone else did so I'm cool" it means that I have an opinion and, this being the internet, I'm welcome to share it. It also means that anyone else who happens to have the same opinion as me also has the right to share it with similar reasons. Saying that we're wrong because we just do it "because it's cool" is kind of insulting to me.

I keep my head down on here now but thought I'd chip in my opinion. I don't like being constantly negative about anything and tend to see the best in everything so I don't expect anybody to agree with this.

Neither do I.

I think both Moffat and Davies are great Head Writers, both brining their own flavours of how to do things. My issue with Davies was that it didn't appear that he thought too far ahead about anything, just took it one series at a time which resulted in these "biggest ever endings" and then everything reset for the stand alone stories to start again with the occasional hint to a series arc.

Occasional? I'm no Whovian historian, well yes I am, but I am pretty sure mentioning Bad Wolf, Torchwood, Saxon in every single episode/two-parter isn't exactly ''occasional''. The bees disappearing in Series Four was a lot more tricky to pick up on but there wasn't that many hints towards what was going to happen. See, kids love it when they get rewarded for following something for a long, long time and that's why you see so many 'flashbacks' going back to all the mentions of Bad Wolf or Torchwood so it all slots together nicely in their little heads. We also get the satisfaction of knowing what it all meant given there was zero to go on, we weren't ever teased with 'clues' or 'cliffhangers'.

In regards to "biggest ever endings", I'll come out and say I don't see Moffat as a finale man. As we've already seen the best he can come up with is ending the entire universe and then bringing the Doctor back with the power of love. Then here he's pretty much ended the series with a big revelation which was Guess 234 so we kind of already knew who she was. He was playing us with intrigue for three whole years. Am I the only one who feels so cheated out of all that time? Davies wasn't much of a finale man either with all due respect, Series One and Two ended on the biggest of notes ever but Series Three stuttered with FLYING ANGEL DOCTOR and then.... don't even get me started on Series Four's finale.

With Moffat, I think he's thought much further ahead and planned things to stretch across different periods of time, rather than starting at episode 1 wrapping everything up at once with one big finale. I personally prefer this style as it feels like there is always something to consider even when the series has finished. Although, Moffat can tend to have too much running at once and you forget certain plots that are on-going until they finally reappear, and you need to go back and see what they were about again.

The problem, the big problem, I have with Moffat is while Davies has "bad wolf" he has "River Song, pregnancy, silence, the red balloon, little girl in a spacesuit, the Doctor dies!" all of which makes me think of one specific TV show that got a bit 'lost' in its giant 'writing itself into a corner'. Consider 'Utopia' in Series Three and how Davies managed to pull one of the best cliffhangers in Who history with a simple little filler story ending with a giant revelation. That entire story was planned from the very beginning whereas I get the feeling the vast majority of 'A Good Man Goes to War' was to simply get us to the point where the Doctor finds out who River Song is and... it all felt rather cheap. "My friend you have never risen higher." - What? He's saved the entire universe, he's saved all of time and space and him just letting a little wee army walk away makes him take the giant moral high ground?

I don't think there is any need to take it so seriously, just take it with a pinch of salt and the fact that it is, after all, sci-fi and (most importantly, just) TV. This isn't a dig at anybody as I understand you are all big fans and just want to see the series do well.

I don't take it with a pinch of salt, I do take children's TV seriously given I love it so much.

With regards to tonight's episode, I thought it was great, finally revealing some long awaited secrets (I don't read anything about it on the internet before the episodes, so I didn't know what to expect from River Song, just my own ideas) and the raw emotion of the Doctor when his companions were in danger. Matt Smith has outdone himself acting wise this series, with my favourite episode being the Doctor's Wife.

What 'secrets' did we get revealed to this week? What new questions did we get?

Secrets revealed:
- River Song is Melody Pond

Questions
- Is she the little girl in the space suit?
- Where has Eyepatch Lady taken the babby?
- Is the writing on the cot the Doctor's name?
- What does the Silence have to do with all of this?
- Why did we have a pointless scene with that guy from that one ICT Crowd come in and get his head chopped off?
- Why is the Doctor so keen to let his TARDIS get trapped or destroyed, honestly he just leaves it as far as possible like he doesn't give a damn.
- Why is Neil Gaiman's episode the only great thing about this series?

[Nuct]

Well, yeah... That's not really a theory now, it's pretty much confirmed that it's her. The interesting thing now is what happens next

It hasn't necessarily been confirmed, it is very likely, however there's still the theory that the little girl in Day of The Moon is the Doctor and River's child, hence the Doctor's actions towards River. But yes, it will be interesting to see how the next episode goes.