6 years since ''September The 11th 2001''

[Dentafrice,]

In Fairness London had the Train bombings, the underground being something a large majority use. But its understandable how someone in America and of course yourself feels about the topic

I agree, but the london bombings weren't as big, but of course I can't make a statement as I never have lived there

London bombings:
Deaths 52
Injured ≈700

[Lycan]

Wern't as big on a death scale but on an Impact scale its changed the secuirty and view on Londons transport. which involved a police officer shooting an innocent man on a station.

Terroism is to bring terror to its target.

What do you think the end result has been

[Dentafrice,]

Wern't as big on a death scale but on an Impact scale its changed the secuirty and view on Londons transport. which involved a police officer shooting an innocent man on a station.

Terroism is to bring terror to its target.

What do you think the end result has been

good point good point,

I guess as you said the death scale wasn't as big, but it is still the same concept, just on a smaller scale

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah your right, and yet we still talk about princess diana? Its been what.. TEN years.

I guess you are not used to people dieing on your own soil.

So one person, VS 3000?

Yeah I know she was a fine lady, but if we can't continue to talk about 9/11 which was a much bigger deal then her death, why should we continue to talk about Princess Diana.

There was stuff about her this year because as you said, it's been 10 years. It doesn't come up every year. Also she was a very important person; politically, royally, charitably, commercially and very much in the hearts of the people.

hmm true.

I mean, of course I was alive on Sept 11, I remember every moment of it.. and it IS hard to put away those memorys, probably impossible.. because it was so horrific being young a the time.

So saying let it go etc, most of you probably didn't live in America, and don't know how it feels to actually go through that.. living so close to NY at the time wondering.. where else is next?

As I said, Europe gets a lot of terrorist attacks. We had the IRA bombing England and parts of Ireland, there are political groups in Spain I know that have done massive train bombings, there were the fairly recent 7/7 London underground bombs, France gets riots and attacks... so don't bother trying the "you don't know what it's like" approach, because we've lived through it too. We just get on with it. Fair enough, there weren't 3000 deaths in one go or whatever, but don't dare trying to make it look as though America is the worst victim of terrorism just because of a one-off attack.
You ask "where else is next?", well how about you look at how many there have been previously before crying that you're scared now. Welcome to reality, America, you're not invincible.

[Dentafrice,]

There was stuff about her this year because as you said, it's been 10 years. It doesn't come up every year. Also she was a very important person; politically, royally, charitably, commercially and very much in the hearts of the people.



As I said, Europe gets a lot of terrorist attacks. We had the IRA bombing England and parts of Ireland, there are political groups in Spain I know that have done massive train bombings, there were the fairly recent 7/7 London underground bombs, France gets riots and attacks... so don't bother trying the "you don't know what it's like" approach, because we've lived through it too. We just get on with it. Fair enough, there weren't 3000 deaths in one go or whatever, but don't dare trying to make it look as though America is the worst victim of terrorism just because of a one-off attack.
You ask "where else is next?", well how about you look at how many there have been previously before crying that you're scared now. Welcome to reality, America, you're not invincible.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255i.html

Okay, so we are not the worst.

Iraq would probably be the worst, then the USA.
We actually are the worst victim of terrorism, as no other country has had any "huge,large" scale attacks such as 9/11.

The largest scale behind the USA is: 520 deaths which is: multiple car bombings in Al-Qataniyah and Al-Adnaniyah, Iraq

Yet America is the worlds most powerful country:

"
1 The United States of America, Look at http://www.lonympics.co.uk/
The world's biggest economy and army, the most powerful democracy, and the media centre of the world, plus in many ways the centre of world diplomacy and foreign relations.
"

http://www.lonympics.co.uk/worldsmos...lcountries.htm
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top...tries-map.html

Much of U.S. military capability is involved in logistics and transportation, which enable rapid buildup of forces as needed. The Air Force maintains a large fleet of C-5 Galaxy, C-17 Globemaster, and C-130 Hercules transportation aircraft with an equally large fleet of aerial refuelling tankers. The Marine Corps maintains Marine Expeditionary Units at sea with the Navy's Atlantic and Pacific Fleets. The Navy's fleet of 11 active aircraft carriers, combined with a military doctrine of power projection, enables a flexible response to potential threats. For these reasons, the United States military is near-universally considered the most powerful in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar..._United_States


Yet 8 on these pages are terrorist attacks in America. America is not usually a target for terrorists, so we have become almost "invincible" with the best army in the world, defense system, yet on 9/11 that was changed by those men, which has improved our security even more.

How many there have been before, k.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255i.html

If you are in Europe I see, around.. what.. 2 terrorist attacks? Or 3.

Yet Europe gets alot of terrorist attacks

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255i.html

I see.. 2 for the UK.
Italy: 1
Spain: 1
Ireland: 2

So that is 6. America is 8 attacks
Yet Europe is 25 countries where US is 1

http://www.jeroenwijering.com/upload..._countries.gif

No offense to you, but alot of your points are incorrect, as are probably mine.. I would have to research it more in depth.

[Lycan]

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255i.html

Okay, so we are not the worst.

Iraq would probably be the worst, then the USA.
We actually are the worst victim of terrorism, as no other country has had any "huge,large" scale attacks such as 9/11.

The largest scale behind the USA is: 520 deaths which is: multiple car bombings in Al-Qataniyah and Al-Adnaniyah, Iraq

Yet America is the worlds most powerful country:

http://www.lonympics.co.uk/worldsmos...lcountries.htm
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top...tries-map.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar..._United_States


Yet 8 on these pages are terrorist attacks in America. America is not usually a target for terrorists, so we have become almost "invincible" with the best army in the world, defense system, yet on 9/11 that was changed by those men, which has improved our security even more.

How many there have been before, k.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255i.html

If you are in Europe I see, around.. what.. 2 terrorist attacks? Or 3.

No offense to you, but alot of your points are incorrect, as are probably mine.. I would have to research it more in depth.

Europe Gets countless threats and attacks, running back your history will show some, but theese days attacks are getting foyled. From fighting over how thy died to which place has been hit the most.

I only have one more thing to ad to this


One Human life lost due to terroism is one too many

[Dentafrice,]

Europe Gets countless threats and attacks, running back your history will show some, but theese days attacks are getting foyled. From fighting over how thy died to which place has been hit the most.

I only have one more thing to ad to this


One Human life lost due to terroism is one too many

Agreed, one is too many. But as you said alot are getting foyled.

[FlyingJesus]

1 Aug 1980 bombing at railway station in Bologna, Italy
26 Sep 1980 suicide bombing in Munich, West Germany
20 Nov 2003 suicide bombings of British consulate and bank in Istanbul, Turkey
14-19 June 1996 hostage taking in Budennovsk, Russia, and two failed rescue attempts
16 Sep 1999 car bombing in Volgodonsk, Russia
15 Aug 1998 two car bombings in Omagh, Northern Ireland, UK
27 Dec 2002 two car bombings outside government house, Chechnya, Russia
26 Oct 2002 hostage taking and attempted rescue in theater in Moscow, Russia
7 Jul 2005 bombings of three subway trains and one bus in London, UK
1-3 Sep 2004 hostage taking at school in Beslan, Russia
11 Mar 2004 bombings of four trains in Madrid, Spain
19 Apr 1946 cyanide poisoning in prison near Nuremberg, Germany
21 Jan 1994 attack with chemical grenades on village of Ormancik, Turkey
13 Sep 1999 bombing of apartment building in Moscow, Russia
14-19 June 1996 hostage taking in Budennovsk, Russia, and two failed rescue attempts
16 Apr 1925 bombing of cathedral in Sophia, Bulgaria
26 Oct 2002 hostage taking and attempted rescue in theater in Moscow, Russia
4 Jan 1998 attacks at Had Chekala, Remka, and Ain Tarik, Algeria
29 Aug 1997 attacks at Sidi Moussa and Hais Rais, Algeria
21 Dec 1988 mid-air bombing of Pan Am flight over Lockerbie, Scotland
23 Jun 1985 mid-air bombing of Air India flight off Ireland

And that's just off that site, so dunno what you were - or weren't - looking at :S that site also only appears to do "most-{something}" attacks; an attack is still an attack with a small amount of victims.

I see entirely what you're saying about America being a big victim because of the scale of the attack, and I'm not trying to say that it was nothing. It's just that Europe and the Middle East in particular have had multiple attacks over however many decades, and when you think that the aim of terrorism isn't really to kill but to demoralise, I view a volley of small attacks as worse (not in casualties and deaths perhaps, but in damage to morale) than one big strike. Also my comment about invincibility was to do with the idea that America just isn't a place that gets attacked, rather than actual military force, and how the fact that it did get attacked worked as a terror attack not just in killing lots of people but by showing the American people that they aren't as safe as they thought.

[Lycan]

Agh i remember that school bombing in russia in 2004. such a sad thing to watch happen

[FlyingJesus]

Mmm hostage situations are probably the worst, because you can see the suffering right there and you know no-one can do anything about it. On that list I seem to have one hostage situation twice, but yeah that one they had two failed rescue attempts.. that must've been so hard on victims, their families and the people trying to save them.