VIP+ Too Costly.

[nvrspk4]

They don't need that much money, unless they're being seriously ripped off for hosting and licenses. It is rediculously expensive, and the excuse "you don't have to buy it" means nothing here. Anyone who took business studies will know, that prices must be kept competitive and affordable especially with other products e.g. regular VIP. For the price you pay, it isn't worth it. It's not even exclusive, which is possibly the only reason to make anything like VIP+ worth the money.

If it was £2.50, they'll make more money than if it were £4 via word of mouth and affordability for the price of the features.

I know I always tell you that you don't know what you're talking about, and you argue with me. Trust me on this one, you're wrong

Habbox will get more money if they set it to an affordable level. It's not a case of "you don't have to buy it," it's a case of "is it worth buying it." For the price, it isn't other than "it's like donating!" gets thrown about, which it isn't. Donating is giving money for nothing, buying VIP is giving money for features which cost nothing to put upon a user account, other than labour. It's all well and good saying people are buying it at it's current price, but Habbox will make alot more money if it was affordable. It is afterall just VIP+, not a completely new level of premium membership.

There is a law called the law of diminishing marginal utility. This states that consumers will only buy so much of a product, no matter how low the price, because as the supply increases due to lower prices, the value increases. Basically, the same number of people might buy it at 3 pounds that would at 2.50. Or the rise in buyers may not cover the money lost by dropping from 3 pounds to 2.50. So its not that simple.

We are trying to increase the features for VIP since we acknowledge its a lot for some, but not for others.

[Tintinnabulate]

They don't need that much money, unless they're being seriously ripped off for hosting and licenses. It is rediculously expensive, and the excuse "you don't have to buy it" means nothing here. Anyone who took business studies will know, that prices must be kept competitive and affordable especially with other products e.g. regular VIP. For the price you pay, it isn't worth it. It's not even exclusive, which is possibly the only reason to make anything like VIP+ worth the money.

If it was £2.50, they'll make more money than if it were £4 via word of mouth and affordability for the price of the features.

Do you ever stop complaining? They are not being ripped off. Considering how many visitors habbox gets andt he amount of resources hxf uses, the server costs are in £x,xxx. And from what I remember, sierk even pays the higher management staff as a thank you.
And its fact, YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY IT. Alot of people buy it to help habbox.

[Blinger1]

Do you ever stop complaining? They are not being ripped off. Considering how many visitors habbox gets andt he amount of resources hxf uses, the server costs are in £x,xxx. And from what I remember, sierk even pays the higher management staff as a thank you.
And its fact, YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY IT. Alot of people buy it to help habbox.

Why don't they just work for free? Or as a hobby if you can call it that?
That way they save money anyway

[Tintinnabulate]

Why don't they just work for free? Or as a hobby if you can call it that?
That way they save money anyway

They do. Most staff do work for free, but a few who spend alot of time making this site work, (which alot of the members dont appreciate) do deserve a few quid. They dont get paid alot, only a few £'s a month from what I can remember. Its like a thank you.
Yes all staff work hard, but some spend ALOT more time and without them, this site wouldnt work properly.

[GommeInc]

Do you ever stop complaining? They are not being ripped off. Considering how many visitors habbox gets andt he amount of resources hxf uses, the server costs are in £x,xxx. And from what I remember, sierk even pays the higher management staff as a thank you.
And its fact, YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY IT. Alot of people buy it to help habbox.

So Habbox don't want to make more money? Have you not noticed how many people are actually saying they will buy VIP+ if it cost a little less?

10 people buy VIP+ for £4, which is £40

Lowering it to £3 would mean 10 x £3 = £30

PLUS the however many said they would buy it at a lower price e.g. 10.

10 x £3 x 2 = £60 which is £20 more than they would be getting now.

Does no-one here do business studies and basic math? I am seeing alot of GCSE Math Failures :rolleyes:

It's not about "YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT," it about gaining costs to pay for the servers and a lower price which would make others want to pay for it will be beneficial to Habbox. It'll only be a waste of lowering the price beyond half the current costs e.g. £4 becomes £2, because then if they only make twice as many more VIP+ members, they'll only be making the same amount of money if it was sold for £4 and half the VIP+ members. Selling it for £3 rather than £4, and then double the amount of people buying it means they gain £1 for every new member to VIP+ added to the current amount. Again, that's basic math and business studies rolled into one :S

Does no-one see the benefits?

We are trying to increase the features for VIP since we acknowledge its a lot for some, but not for others.

You know aswell as I do at how hopeless it is at finding new VIP features, let alone VIP+ features!! Unless you want to remove or edit VIP (which isn't suggested), then there's no hope for finding truely amazing new VIP+ features without adding modifications and plug-ins, which Habbox is usually against.

[Tintinnabulate]

So Habbox don't want to make more money? Have you not noticed how many people are actually saying they will buy VIP+ if it cost a little less?

10 people buy VIP+ for £4, which is £40

Lowering it to £3 would mean 10 x £3 = £30

PLUS the however many said they would buy it at a lower price e.g. 10.

10 x £3 x 2 = £60 which is £20 more than they would be getting now.

Does no-one here do business studies and basic math? I am seeing alot of GCSE Math Failures :rolleyes:

It's not about "YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT," it about gaining costs to pay for the servers and a lower price which would make others want to pay for it will be beneficial to Habbox. It'll only be a waste of lowering the price beyond half the current costs e.g. £4 becomes £2, because then if they only make twice as many more VIP+ members, they'll only be making the same amount of money if it was sold for £4 and half the VIP+ members. Selling it for £3 rather than £4, and then double the amount of people buying it means they gain £1 for every new member to VIP+ added to the current amount. Again, that's basic math and business studies rolled into one :S

Does no-one see the benefits?

I see what you are saying but whats the gurantee that they will buy it for £3? Most people want it reduced to £2.50 not £3. But even so, whats the gurantee they will buy it for £2.50? I guess in business they have to take risks, but I think £3.50 would be a good value not £3.
And if you notice, I just said stop complaining, I only mentioned that the server costs are actually in £x,xxx and never mentioned anything about VIP+ prices.

[GommeInc]

I see what you are saying but whats the gurantee that they will buy it for £3? Most people want it reduced to £2.50 not £3. But even so, whats the gurantee they will buy it for £2.50? I guess in business they have to take risks, but I think £3.50 would be a good value not £3.
And if you notice, I just said stop complaining, I only mentioned that the server costs are actually in £x,xxx and never mentioned anything about VIP+ prices.

Only real way is to officially announce a survey or ask around in a thread to find out, but you can't guarantee those people will actually buy it. As you said, it would be a risk :/

£3.50 would still be quite dear for some people. Afterall it is just a forum and non-Habbo forums don't even pay that much, and they're usually heavily modified so there's more features Then you take in the idea of how much companies sell exclusive features. Habbo Club on Habbo for example, is only £2 and you get quite alot of features now and loads of people buy HC now so I'm guessing they're making alot more money that usual. Runescape is £3.50, but they get huge upgrades to their account like larger map etc

£2.50 would only be good if they double the amount of people who would buy for that much than for £4, but that is getting a bit close to the point of losing money or not gaining any at all. £3 seems to break even, it's inbetween the suggested £2.50 and the £4 price which I'm guessing is mainly at that price because it's to make it more exclusive. But that's how I see it, it maybe different for others

[Tintinnabulate]

Habbox needs to take risks and install a few modifications but check the code properly first.

[jackass]

So Habbox don't want to make more money? Have you not noticed how many people are actually saying they will buy VIP+ if it cost a little less?

10 people buy VIP+ for £4, which is £40

Lowering it to £3 would mean 10 x £3 = £30

PLUS the however many said they would buy it at a lower price e.g. 10.

10 x £3 x 2 = £60 which is £20 more than they would be getting now.

Does no-one here do business studies and basic math? I am seeing alot of GCSE Math Failures :rolleyes:

It's not about "YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT," it about gaining costs to pay for the servers and a lower price which would make others want to pay for it will be beneficial to Habbox. It'll only be a waste of lowering the price beyond half the current costs e.g. £4 becomes £2, because then if they only make twice as many more VIP+ members, they'll only be making the same amount of money if it was sold for £4 and half the VIP+ members. Selling it for £3 rather than £4, and then double the amount of people buying it means they gain £1 for every new member to VIP+ added to the current amount. Again, that's basic math and business studies rolled into one :S

Does no-one see the benefits?

I totally agree here. +rep.

[Coldplay]

Only real way is to officially announce a survey or ask around in a thread to find out, but you can't guarantee those people will actually buy it. As you said, it would be a risk :/

£3.50 would still be quite dear for some people. Afterall it is just a forum and non-Habbo forums don't even pay that much, and they're usually heavily modified so there's more features Then you take in the idea of how much companies sell exclusive features. Habbo Club on Habbo for example, is only £2 and you get quite alot of features now and loads of people buy HC now so I'm guessing they're making alot more money that usual. Runescape is £3.50, but they get huge upgrades to their account like larger map etc

£2.50 would only be good if they double the amount of people who would buy for that much than for £4, but that is getting a bit close to the point of losing money or not gaining any at all. £3 seems to break even, it's inbetween the suggested £2.50 and the £4 price which I'm guessing is mainly at that price because it's to make it more exclusive. But that's how I see it, it maybe different for others

Basic business and economics there, you have an unlimited supply, as I said earlier, so why not increase the demand, as prices and demand have an inverse relationship, naturally speaking;

As long as the price is high, demand is low

When the price is low, Demand is high.

Higher Demand = More consumers = More purchases @ lower cost = Higher profits.

If you can PM me the figures, I bet I could construct you a basic PPF.

Edit; Also, one of the basic characteristics of an entrepreneur is initiative, and another is risk taking.