Vista Downgrade - Alternate OS Suggestions?

[HotelUser]

Right time to roll up my sleeves and get busy.

And get ready to pwn me as usual:rolleyes:

(Thanks to Mentor for using a post format that doesn't bunch everything up into one massive blog (Hey HotelUser, press enter!)

I think you mean press return.

There are no themes I like on any Lunix distro because they're all horrible and have 4304820934824 developers just dragging it down. Unity = Better design, better code (for applications).

GNOME is very customizable. KDE is terrible all around, but GNOME is amazing. The amount of beautiful themes and icon sets for GNOME are vast.

Thanks for playing Mentor! Hope you had fun.

You sure beat him in a game of Hiscussion:eusa_clap.

Not really, going through an installation procedure can save you 100mb+, stop crap you don't want being installed and add things extra that aren't in the default installation. I think installing and choosing exactly what you want is far superior.

Yeah but that's an extra click on a dialog. If you don't want the crap installed on OS X simply don't drag its icon into the applications folder.

Why is Ubuntu being supported for several years? Because a lot of people use it. Just like a lot of people use XP, 7 should change that though.

And a lot of people use XP because of netbooks and they obviously like it. If they didn't they would upgrade to Vista. Or maybe it's that they don't even care at all what they're using? Either way, XPs survival is a clear indication that Vista, to an extent, was not successful.

Not really, I don't have an iPhone or a Windows Mobile, or a smart phone for that matter because I don't need my phone to wipe my ass for me whenever I make a phone call. I need texting, calling and the occasional internet browsing. My phone does all of that without fancy "apps" or being a "smart phone".

I was simply stating that I used Microsoft software to construct my post.

Used lunix, made programs, edited themes, butted about with it for a few months. I think I know how to use lunix.

Yeah, tell me how you know so much about skinning it next.

If I'm not mistaken the Windows font doesn't have ClearType at all, I can't see any sub-pixel rendering on the text below wordpress.

I was more or less trying to show an OS X rendering example. Here's a better example displaying how both platforms render pretty text:

Both platforms render fonts professionally. Apple's rendering is smoother, and Microsoft's more crisp. Honestly, I can even zoom in ridiculously close to either representation and still read everything. It's ugly as heck, but both work fine?

Your opinion is wrong (yes they can be wrong), Windows Vista is a valid Operating System (and by all definition real) that is used by millions of people across the world who all know it to be real (It's a fact!). Your opinion is moot.

No, to me Windows Vista is not "real" because it does not meet the requirements I'm looking for in a reasonable to use Operating System. Therefore, when I say it's not "real", I'm indicating that I would not consider it a decent Operating System (notice the double-quote symbols around the word real, which are indicating that I don't mean the sentence literally).

That's like being racist to a black person and saying it's ok because you have black friends.

Hardly. I'm able to defame Vista because of my experiences with it.

Thanks for playing guys!

What's my prize for winning?

hoteluser i knew you would post in this thread
you have a weird obsession with vista dude

Ah, I suppose I've become predictable.

I really like Vista, sure it's not fast but if you have a lot of ram and a good dual-core processor, it makes a world of difference!

True, it does make a difference. Although, I heard Tom (*****) at a point was running it on his UMPC!

[Agnostic Bear]

What's my prize for winning?

There is no prize because you are not winning because there is no contest, only a game where you can neither win nor lose. However I will let you in on a little something:

I need to find out if breasts can actually hypnotize people, and if they can, how can I use this to my advantage?

[nvrspk4]

@nvrspk4: im not a fan of the font rendering in osx ether, in ubuntu though you could do a side by side comparison with windows and not see the difference Linux lets you customize everything, even font rendering

In ubuntu, u can choose each effect, customize it to your will, run lots, run none, you don't even to have the effects engine (compiz in my case, areo for windows) running. Ubuntus resource usage is so low though, you can have the same full set of effects and still run quicker than a copy of xp with no effects used at all With effects off though, linux will run on far far older hardware still with decent performance

Now that's a fair rebuttal I don't know enough about Ubuntu to make a mildly informed comment so I'll take you at your word

Apple smooths the fonts better. I can see why some people might not like that because the additional smoothing is annoying, but I for one see no problem with it. Infact, in some cases I think Apple font rendering looks absolutely stunning:


And the Windows version:

Hang on, if I'm not mistaken that's an application's font so its also down somewhat to the maker of the application. A Safari vs IE comparison is probably better suited to making your case. Regardless, you missed the point...the Windows font is much more pragmatic and easier to read and easier to design with (though Apple is supposed to be better for arteests)

The difference is hard to see because its a white background. However, if someone put that font into a graphic or perhaps was viewing it on a colored page it'd be different. To avoid any bias whatsoever I've taken your example and simple clicked the paint can ONCE on paint.



As you can see, the normal sized, everyday reading font shows up perfectly in the Windows but not in the OSX. Due to me not actually using a legit system and clicking the paint can the big text isn't quite a good assessment (though that doesn't look like ClearText to me...it looks like the bottom WordPress is closer to OSX and the top is closer to cleartype, at least going by the blown up comparison...

Yes, if you're zoomed into an image that's used Apple font rendering it's going to look horrible compared to the Windows rendered text (though if you're zooming into pictures or looking this close to text then I don't see why you'd be looking for quality).

I have a secondary monitor with a 106DPI (native) and I've used it with one of my Windows machines and my iMac. Font rendering on OS X to my eyes is not inferior to Window's font rendering at all.
Yes and I'm saying: No it might not be productive but is sure looks cool, and since it hardly consumes any processing power you're not going to notice a difference in your machine's performance.That's about the same thing I said regarding Windows Vista and its nice but sluggish UI when it was released.

I'm not talking about performance, I'm talking about readability. Not to be dismissive of your opinion here but it may look better to your eyes however according to professionals it is shown that Windows font rendering is clearer, sticking to presentation over artistry whereas Apple sticks to the theory that font designer's wishes should be honored and go for the artistry over presentation.

What is the effect? According to studies, more reading accuracy with ClearType font. Perhaps if you are an art purist (and this would mean you also have never illegally downloaded a song because THINK OF THE ARTISTS) the OSX font rendering would be better. But pragmatically the ClearType rendering is better.

I'm not saying you're not able to read a word on the mac but the idea that OSX rendering isn't worse than ClearType, at least from the viewpoint of efficiency and pragmatism.

In my opinion Windows Vista is not a "real" OS, meaning I would not wish to use it.

I rest my case :8





Can I remind everybody to keep our posts aimed at comments instead of people? *COUGH*

Though it seems the OP has his issue resolved and we're hijacking the poor boy's threads for our own capricious purposes.



*Facepalm* Typed this entire thing out and forgot to hit enter, its been sitting among 20 tabs in one of 6 windows all lonely for hours.

[Recursion]

GNOME is very customizable. KDE is terrible all around, but GNOME is amazing. The amount of beautiful themes and icon sets for GNOME are vast.

Just thought I would say, www.gnome-look.org, www.kde-look.org.

And obviously Microsoft is doing a lot right seeing as Windows is the most widely used OS on the market by a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot.

Thanks.

[Josh-H]

Just go to Windows 7

[Wayne]

Intelligent Dance Music?

Internet Download Manager.

[Recursion]

Intelligent Dance Music?

That doesn't even exist.

[Wayne]

So for installing Ubuntu, I download the ISO from the Ubuntu website, burn it to a CD, format my PC, uninstall Vista then insert the Ubuntu CD to install that?

[MrPinkPanther]

OSX Mobile > Windows Mobile
OSX < Windows 7/Vista/XP

End of.

PS: Anyone who disagrees with me likes Intellgient Dance Music

[Recursion]

OSX Mobile > Windows Mobile
OSX < Windows 7/Vista/XP

End of.

PS: Anyone who disagrees with me likes Intellgient Dance Music

Agreed to an extent, OS X is better than Windows in some ways and vice versa.

You just download the Ubuntu ISO, then burn it to disk, Ubuntu will do the partitioning etc for you.