UAF V BNP at the BBC Television Centre ahead of Question Time

[-:Undertaker:-]

While I believe in free speech and all the democracy malarkey, what happened on Question Time was not Question Time. It was a straight all out attack on the BNP and at the end of it, I felt sorry for them. Griffin's points about the middle-east are some of the best I've heard in a long time.

Also, I laugh at you guys arguing over whether denying the holocaust is a crime or not. In the end, it's offensive. Personally, I've seen enough evidence to know it took place and I just don't think it's an opinion to deny such an event.

I like Undertaker's comparison to 9/11, and all the conspiracy theories, but we have to be aware that 2000 people died in the 9/11 attacks and over 15 million died in the holocaust. Let's also be frank here, if you say that the 9/11 attacks were a government plot, to an American, they would probably respect your opinion. They might disagree with it, but you'll still agree yourself that the loss of life is something to remember. But if you deny the holocaust then you are really attacking the victims of that event and in my books, that's a crime.

Freedom of speech should never be a crime.

[Black_Apalachi]

Is it so hard to understand that if you want to practice freedom of speech, you have to accept what people say even if you don't like it? You can't have your cake and eat it.

[Ardemax]

Is it so hard to understand that if you want to practice freedom of speech, you have to accept what people say even if you don't like it? You can't have your cake and eat it.

BUT IF YOU SAY IT IN FRANCE OR GERMANY IT'S AGAINST THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Black_Apalachi]

BUT IF YOU SAY IT IN FRANCE OR GERMANY IT'S AGAINST THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, I thought we were talking about the British National Party appearing on the British TV show Question Time. Sorry!

[Ardemax]

yeah, we sorta crept to nick griffin and his holocaust denial for a while

[Dan2nd]

BUT IF YOU SAY IT IN FRANCE OR GERMANY IT'S AGAINST THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes but we're not in France of Germany we're in the UK so I don't understand why you keep saying that?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes but we're not in France of Germany we're in the UK so I don't understand why you keep saying that?

..not that theres much difference between them all anymore, afterall 84% of the laws made here every year are carbon-copies of the ones that are formulated in France, Germany and across the European Union.

..and people call Nick Griffin the undemocratic fascist, amazing really.

[Ardemax]

Yes but we're not in France of Germany we're in the UK so I don't understand why you keep saying that?

becos people were like "no it isn't against the law" and then id reply with that and then they'd deny it etc. etc.

[Bun]

Oh, I thought we were talking about the British National Party appearing on the British TV show Question Time. Sorry!

yeh our good friend ardemax was just making the point that as France and Germany have such laws the EU will surely follow, init Undertaker?

Freedom of speech should never be a crime.

what about racism? nobody can stop you thinking it, but once you preach it, it's a crime.

[-:Undertaker:-]

yeh our good friend ardemax was just making the point that as France and Germany have such laws the EU will surely follow, init Undertaker?

what about racism? nobody can stop you thinking it, but once you preach it, it's a crime.

The discussion is about the holocaust, not racism.