Shopkeepers' fury as EU prepares to ban selling eggs by the dozen

[alexxxxx]

I am sorry but why should the European Union have any right to put harmful regulations on the United Kingdom? - well we know you agree with that completely, you'd have this country abolished tommorow if you had the chance without any of us having any say - you are an EU nationalist, you wish to impose your laws and your ways on the British people, the French people and people across Europe. In an ideal world we wouldnt have trade blocs competing against eachother, both trying to rival eachother in terms on world trade.

The EU has long wished to have the stranglehold over the United States, and its using trade as a weapon.

Well unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world. do we. and i don't want this country to be demolished. what a stupid thing to say, i've never said that.

Yes, I am. The United States, China, Switzerland, Iceland, Mexico, India, Austrialia, New Zealand and hundreds of other countries all trade freely with one another and they are not part of the European Union. The cheap products line is also another lie, the EU actually pushes prices up as it pays farmers and so forth not to farm the land (check out the CAP policy) whilst at the same time forces British fishermen to throw back millions of dead fish into the ocean, whilst Spanish and Portugese fleets can come and fish instead - thus creating a shorter supply and pushing up the price.

What rubbish - USA and Canada and Mexico have free-ish trade via the NAFTA (another trading bloc) which does not carry nearly as much market integration as the EEA. Hundreds of other countries trade freely with each other? What a load of rubbish - you obviously don't know what you're on about. There are problems with the CAP, but it does drive down prices. There was a time where cars cost a lot more here than they did in france and belgium, so you know what people did? They went there to buy them and then drove them home, tax and tarrif free. That happens hardly anywhere else. The car dealerships realised they needed to cut their prices as they were losing customers (particularly along the south coast) and wham lower prices. 'Booze Cruises' are going out of fashion now too because of the lower prices of alcohol in UK supermarkets due to people (my parents included) stocking up huge amounts of wine when going to france (im talking in the hundreds of litres) and consuming it over the year for much cheaper. But now supermarket and specialists have cut costs and now loads of these places across the channel are closing down.

The BBC is also funded by the European Union you'll be interested to hear.

and how on earth is the BBC funded by the EU.

and an EU law every 3 minutes would mean over 150 000 laws a year, what a load of rubbish.

[kk.]

Why would you trust Labour again to change the voting system when they promised the exact same in 1997 and went back on it? - if i'm honest, if you and others are not prepared to think with your head and ignore the public relations stunts from the main parties then you all deserve everything these parties throw at you.

isnt politics all about trust. how can you trust any party to do what they say..

You havent responded properly to what I have said, this has nothing to do with the geographical positions of the European Union and Switzerland. Infact it only helps my points, Switzerland is not a member of the EU yet is landlocked dead bang in the centre of the EU yet it trades perfectly fine without being a member of the European Union. You'll also be interested to know that Switzerlands people have been asked to 'enjoy the benefits of the EU' - and they said no. Switzerland is gifted to have a referendum lock system which means the people decide, and like we would decide and most other Europeans (if given the chance) they said no.

i think youve literally jsut proved what i was saying. i said DUE TO WHERE SWITZERLAND IS they can be part of the EU, but not. We have to go through them rather than around them so they receive the free trade without any of the laws.

If you are perfectly fine with paying our own farmers (and those in Europe) not to farm.. only for us to end up paying more as their is not a surplus of goods.. then you are perfectly entitled to that view although most would class a system like that as total madness. So to finish with that point, no it doesnt make goods any cheaper - it makes them more expensive which is the opposite of what you claim.

i dont remember saying anything about making goods cheaper, just that the UK government also have the same policy and so its nothing to do with the EU

It is not good at all for the consumer, what isnt good for the business isnt good for the consumer as the price is passed down to the consumer. It happens in big business, medium business and small business. A business exists to create profit and generate wealth, if it cannot generate the wealth it wishes then it is forced to pass on the price to the consumer so that you end up paying more, not less as you claim.

its not always passed down. in fact, if just one of those companies charge less, the rest will follow.

The statistics arent showing up, but heres a page I found which shows the levels of immigration are higher than the emigration levels (again doesnt include illegals or asylum seekers) - as you can see on the chart below, immigration is vastly higher to emigration levels which proves my point that the system is out of control.

The UK doesnt really control international immigration, hence why we have so many people being able to come here who are either a) criminals b) not needed c) extremists d) here for the benefits e) cannot speak English and so forth. This also does not target the issue that is EU immigration (of which the last government grossly underestimated) and the fact that once Turkey joins the European Union, the door to the likes of Iran, Iraq and so forth will be swung open to Europe.

i said recently, that data is 2008. the data that i linked to (try refreshing it when its opened) is from the last quarter of 2009, where the long term immigrants is under the line of migrants, and so a net loss of people.

Our parliament, being the oldest democracy in the world, is now unable to pass legislation regarding food labelling? are you seriously telling me that?
no, you told me that you could give the exact opposite argument as to why it was wrong by the EU to do this. Food labelling where manufacturers have to clearly label products which contain bad thigns for you.


That is exactly what I am telling you. Infact Lord Pearson even has a thinktank devoted to the topic itself I believe. I will give you an example myself that I notice rather often - the BBC always invites Guardian journalists onto the show despite the Guardian being a paper that sells poorly and is read by a small minority of the newspaper readership. I also noticed once just by sitting watching the television, that during a UKIP meeting in Buckinghamshire a few months back - the BBC felt the need to mention the word 'BNP' in the same line.

It is subtle hints such as that which make it biased, the article you quoted is just another example on the bias it places to its supporters and donors. Why is the BBC (supposedly neutral) running articles on how the European Union is good for me? - a newspaper is biased, a state owned broadcaster should be far from bias. Personally I would privatise and split the BBC up anyway, its nothing more than a bloated state 'asset' which relies on a stealth tax to fund its wasteful spending.

to the bnp part, thats hardly fair. its down to the reporter. i saw a newspaper article form the daily fail which included woman and black, which wasnt necessary. big ceebs with finding it but it really wasnt.

ive responded in bold. im too tired to debate this further lol..

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world. do we. and i don't want this country to be demolished. what a stupid thing to say, i've never said that.

Oh yes you have, you have said you want a federal Europe. You are an EU nationalist, yourself and those in the EU intend and wish to persue your ideals and beliefs and place them of the peoples of Europe. The difference between myself and yourself is quite clear and highlighted by my signature in which George Orwell states the difference between a patriot and a nationalist.

I wish for my country to survive, you wish for it to be abolished and absorbed by a foreign power.

What rubbish - USA and Canada and Mexico have free-ish trade via the NAFTA (another trading bloc) which does not carry nearly as much market integration as the EEA. Hundreds of other countries trade freely with each other? What a load of rubbish - you obviously don't know what you're on about. There are problems with the CAP, but it does drive down prices. There was a time where cars cost a lot more here than they did in france and belgium, so you know what people did? They went there to buy them and then drove them home, tax and tarrif free. That happens hardly anywhere else. The car dealerships realised they needed to cut their prices as they were losing customers (particularly along the south coast) and wham lower prices. 'Booze Cruises' are going out of fashion now too because of the lower prices of alcohol in UK supermarkets due to people (my parents included) stocking up huge amounts of wine when going to france (im talking in the hundreds of litres) and consuming it over the year for much cheaper. But now supermarket and specialists have cut costs and now loads of these places across the channel are closing down.

The difference between these trade organisations and the European Union can be seen quite cleartly in the names, although I will accept that many are attempting to emulate the European Unino by moving into social, political and economic policy to build world government, which afterall is what our unelected President wants for us all. Trade blocs create friction, they create problems and they trample on sovereignty once they reach a certain point - but of course we know that the EU was never really intended as a trade bloc, it was intended as a federal and nationalistic project which Edward Heath eventually admitted to in later years.

There are problems with CAP? - damn right there are problems, i'd class them as more than problems if i'm honest. It doesnt drive down prices, although it does result in mass unemployment and possibly starvation in Africa when surplus is dumped on African markets for cheap prices after being rejected by European consumers for the inflated prices. Why should British taxpayers (who are all consumers at the end of the day aswell) pay for French farmers to keep their fields empty?

and how on earth is the BBC funded by the EU.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle3257748.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-election.html
http://www.globalbritain.org/BBC.asp(Lord Pearsons thinktank)
http://www.ashleymote.co.uk/?p=600

and an EU law every 3 minutes would mean over 150 000 laws a year, what a load of rubbish.

It was every 3 hours, so my apologies for getting that figure wrong. Although still alarmingly, its every 3 hours according to UKIP on their website and published results which can be found on this page; http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-n...eu-legislation

isnt politics all about trust. how can you trust any party to do what they say..

I suppose politics is about trust and you can never trust a party fully, however I certainly would trust any party with such bad records on trust as the Liberal Democrats, the Conservatives and the Labour Party - i'd advise you to do the same.

i think youve literally jsut proved what i was saying. i said DUE TO WHERE SWITZERLAND IS they can be part of the EU, but not. We have to go through them rather than around them so they receive the free trade without any of the laws.

Switzerland being in the middle of Europe has nothing to do with free trade, Switzerland is not obliged to allow anything to pass through its borders. More to the point, the UK economy is far greater in size and thus more of a pull for trade which demolishes the argument(?) you have been putting across.

i dont remember saying anything about making goods cheaper, just that the UK government also have the same policy and so its nothing to do with the EU

You said very clearly 'but we get a lot back in terms of cheap products.' which can be found here; http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...05#post6569805 - so as I said, no the EU does not make things cheaper, it makes them more expensive.

its not always passed down. in fact, if just one of those companies charge less, the rest will follow.

It is always passed down, and if not directly passed down it is passed down via the fact the company has less money to expand and thus hire more people which contributes to unemployment issues.

i said recently, that data is 2008. the data that i linked to (try refreshing it when its opened) is from the last quarter of 2009, where the long term immigrants is under the line of migrants, and so a net loss of people.

Well if that is the case it is rather good news, although dont expect it to last - especially when Turkey recieve their EU membership (and our money of course!).

no, you told me that you could give the exact opposite argument as to why it was wrong by the EU to do this. Food labelling where manufacturers have to clearly label products which contain bad thigns for you.

Here are another three arguments then for that;

a) it undermines the sovereignty of this country.
b) it costs industry more in red tape.
c) it undermines our imperial system which is part of our culture.

to the bnp part, thats hardly fair. its down to the reporter. i saw a newspaper article form the daily fail which included woman and black, which wasnt necessary. big ceebs with finding it but it really wasnt.

The Daily Mail is bias though, the BBC should not be bias as it is state owned - that is my point. Therefore the BBC is biased.

[kk.]

It was every 3 hours, so my apologies for getting that figure wrong. Although still alarmingly, its every 3 hours according to UKIP on their website and published results which can be found on this page; http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-n...eu-legislation

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sed-hours.html - that is all

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sed-hours.html - that is all

Both are differing years, the Daily Mail article being from 2007 targeting the period of 06/07 and the UKIP one being from mid-2009 to now (2010) - both years are far too high i'm sure you'll agree with regardless on numbers. To prove my point more so; EU legislation has actually increased from 2,100 in 2006/2007 to 2,756 in 2009/2010.

[Geraint]

I can't be arsed to read the thread and it's probably been brought up already but what difference does it make. There'll still be 6 or 12 it'll just state the weight rather than 6 or 12. Nothing to stop them being sold in them quantities. Shops will continue to sell at the same price as there'll be no regulations to say that 400g will cost a quid or something.

[Tintinnabulate]

It;

a) confuses consumers (older people in general).

Hey everyone, undertaker thinks that the old people of this country are too thick to count to six. God help us all if that's true.

I am all for immigration myself and I dont believe in having a cap on immigration,

Just before the General Election, you were saying you wanted to stop all immigration and put a 5 year cap on it, and now you are saying that you "don't believe in having a cap on immigration". Caught you out there again. Guess you will just come up with some pathetic excuse "noo I meant something else" like you always do.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Hey everyone, undertaker thinks that the old people of this country are too thick to count to six. God help us all if that's true.

Just before the General Election, you were saying you wanted to stop all immigration and put a 5 year cap on it, and now you are saying that you "don't believe in having a cap on immigration". Caught you out there again. Guess you will just come up with some pathetic excuse "noo I meant something else" like you always do.

No, older people can add up. However, if you change 'a dozen eggs' into '378g' then yes it would confuse people, especially those such as older people who have not done metric in school and have used imperial all their life. The second point, thats not a cap - thats a blanket 5-year ban on immigration.

All immigration should be halted for a 5-year period (both EU and non-EU) whilst we sort out this ridiculous mess not to mention find the missing one million or so illegal immigrants who are in this country. Once that period has ended, you reopen the immigration system so that its based on merit and i'd be opposed to a number cap on immigration. To have a cap on the number is rather silly and would possibly mean a shortage in all sectors.

[Tintinnabulate]

No, older people can add up. However, if you change 'a dozen eggs' into '378g' then yes it would confuse people, especially those such as older people who have not done metric in school and have used imperial all their life. The second point, thats not a cap - thats a blanket 5-year ban on immigration.

All immigration should be halted for a 5-year period (both EU and non-EU) whilst we sort out this ridiculous mess not to mention find the missing one million or so illegal immigrants who are in this country. Once that period has ended, you reopen the immigration system so that its based on merit and i'd be opposed to a number cap on immigration. To have a cap on the number is rather silly and would possibly mean a shortage in all sectors.

Older people aren't as dumb as you think ... they are probably cleverer than you. They will see its 6 eggs and take it, not go "oh no it says 378g, what on earth does that mean someone please help as I dont know what the hell 378g is!!!!!! is it still 6 eggs?!?!? I can see 6 eggs but omg 378g changes everything!!!"

Yeah, like I said, not as dumb as you think - if anything, you are dumber than them right now as a majority of them have more knowledge than you. I mean in the last debate regarding students, you were generalising all university students until I flamed you and you admitted being wrong - Catzsy or whoever it was backing my posts would back me up here again).

[-:Undertaker:-]

Older people aren't as dumb as you think ... they are probably cleverer than you. They will see its 6 eggs and take it, not go "oh no it says 378g, what on earth does that mean someone please help as I dont know what the hell 378g is!!!!!! is it still 6 eggs?!?!? I can see 6 eggs but omg 378g changes everything!!!"

Yeah, like I said, not as dumb as you think - if anything, you are dumber than them right now as a majority of them have more knowledge than you. I mean in the last debate regarding students, you were generalising all university students until I flamed you and you admitted being wrong - Catzsy or whoever it was backing my posts would back me up here again).

Why do you totally ignore what i've written?

I have said I am not calling older people dumb, I am saying that due to them being older then they will not of have learnt metric in schools therefore are familiar with the imperial system rather than the metric system. Can you understand that clear difference? yeah? good. To add onto this, the issue isnt about the eggs in reality, its about the European Union dictating everything down to the smallest things to this country, and we cannot refuse to implement their crazy policies which aim to harm British culture and create a European identity which has never existed.

Yeah, and remember when I asked you to reply to my question 14 odd times and you kept saying you would?