Woman hangs dog after burning it because it chewed her Bible...

[Muct]

I'm talking about stuff which can't really be disputed here, they are born aggressive, and that is natural sorry. Dogs or anything else can't be born "bad", this isn't Harry Potter, everything is born with a neutral mindset and depending on the environment it is brought up in will be either "good" or "bad", at birth though every animal is as good/bad as each other.

Yes, they are as good/bad as each other at birth, and you just said they were born with no either good/bad intentions, as in with a neutral mindset. So you just really backed my point up saying that dogs in general aren't born bad... I never said they were born perfectly good, but if they're born with a neutral mindset, then mk.

[Nemo]

Yes, they are as good/bad as each other at birth, and you just said they were born with no either good/bad intentions, as in with a neutral mindset. So you just really backed my point up saying that dogs in general aren't born bad... I never said they were born perfectly good, but if they're born with a neutral mindset, then mk.

I dont get what your point was

[Muct]

I dont get what your point was

Basically what he said, that dogs aren't actually born bad, but with a neutral mindset, they're the words that I was looking for but I couldn't find,

[GommeInc]

"All dogs are born good.." So wild dogs are good...yeah? Even when you're camping and they attack you? Ok..

I'm not saying ALL dogs are evil - far from it. This is probably an awful comparison but it's like Muslims and terrorists - it's only a TINY minority that are actually bad.

Domestic and non-domestic dogs are completely different. One is born with the understand that man is a friend and the other is born into a world of fear where they need to be extra careful to survive. Pit Bulls tend to be born into the former, and are of the understanding that man is good.

[Nemo]

Basically what he said, that dogs aren't actually born bad, but with a neutral mindset, they're the words that I was looking for but I couldn't find,

Isnt that incredibly obvious since it is insticts that create aggression (as i said before), so as long it does feel threatened, if it hasnt been swayed either way then itll obv be in a neutral mindset

god this thread is dumb

[Muct]

Isnt that incredibly obvious since it is insticts that create aggression (as i said before), so as long it does feel threatened, if it hasnt been swayed either way then itll obv be in a neutral mindset

god this thread is dumb

All my point was saying was that dogs aren't born bad, so do people finally agree with that, and dogs actually born with a neutral mindset?

NOW LETS MOVE ONTO CATS !! XD
-endjoke.

[GommeInc]

IF dogs are born vicious, I must of met a lot of crappy puppies in my life time. My dog was cuddly when he was born, as were my kittens. Infact, most animals are born to be weak, fragile and dependent, rather than vicious. If they were born vicious, they wouldn't be dependent on their mothers for support. Adding to that, lion cubs are born taken whatever they see as feeding them as the "good guy", so this "born vicious theology" is entirely inaccurate. Snakes and lizards I believe are also born dependent on whatever is feeding them and keeping them warm, you just have to worry when snakes grow old because they take any finger movements as an instinctive sign for "prey" and may bite :/

[Jordy]

Yes, they are as good/bad as each other at birth, and you just said they were born with no either good/bad intentions, as in with a neutral mindset. So you just really backed my point up saying that dogs in general aren't born bad... I never said they were born perfectly good, but if they're born with a neutral mindset, then mk.

No I am not backing up your point what-so-ever.

Dogs are born with aggression, that is natural. That does not mean they are good or bad, that's just how they are and they're all the same, some breeds will have different degrees of aggression of course. They will either continue to be aggressive or become non-aggressive, this depends in the environment they are brought up (In the wild maybe or by some dog fighting specialists or a loving family?). Whether they are good or bad is a matter of your opinion but they are all born the same. Adolf Hitler was not born a bad person, he grew up to be a bad person.

god this thread is dumb

To be perfectly honest I'm losing the will to live.

Edit: Muct you've pretty much had a complete U-Turn on what you were saying earlier so it's now as if you are seemingly agreeing with me :/

[Muct]

No I am not backing up your point what-so-ever.

Dogs are born with aggression, that is natural. That does not mean they are good or bad, that's just how they are and they're all the same, some breeds will have different degrees of aggression of course. They will either continue to be aggressive or become non-aggressive, this depends in the environment they are brought up (In the wild maybe or by some dog fighting specialists or a loving family?). Whether they are good or bad is a matter of your opinion but they are all born the same. Adolf Hitler was not born a bad person, he grew up to be a bad person.

You said they were born with a neutral mindset.
That means no intentions of being good OR bad.
I said they weren't born bad.
You said they were born neutral and it depended on their enviroment.
Backed up opinion. Thanks.
&That Hitler example just backs up my opinion even stronger, btw.

[GommeInc]

No I am not backing up your point what-so-ever.

Dogs are born with aggression, that is natural. That does not mean they are good or bad, that's just how they are and they're all the same, some breeds will have different degrees of aggression of course. They will either continue to be aggressive or become non-aggressive, this depends in the environment they are brought up (In the wild maybe or by some dog fighting specialists or a loving family?). Whether they are good or bad is a matter of your opinion but they are all born the same. Adolf Hitler was not born a bad person, he grew up to be a bad person.

See my above post. They're so not born aggressive I've seen hundreds of puppies in my life time and you rarely get any aggressive dogs. If anything, it's the same with humans - different personalities that start from birth. Most baby animals are dependent, not vicious - if they were vicious (biting the hand that feeds you) then they're dooming themselves to death. It all depends on upbringing, and a Rottweiler or a Pit Bull is only vicious if brought up badly.

Someone mentioned man being vicious from the start. I've never seen a baby being put down for causing GBH, attempting to stab someone, biting with the intent to cause serious harm - play biting is popular amongst all of God's/Buddha's creatures, lion cubs play bite and immediately know they've done wrong if you react. it's part of training, if they witness pain then they know they've done wrong.