Why do so many threads in Feedback get closed?

[Jin]

On second thought I think I might implement some of those ideas.

Set admin rep lower because then we won't have to hold back so much on -repping and also we don't need to spread anyway.

Give management rep points for their dedication as they do deserve it.

Increase newly registered rep points.

Thanks FJ

[FlyingJesus]

Then in which case why don't we disable the reputation system if it isn't performing its intended purpose? The rep system is suppose to be an indicator as to someone's character not popularity on a forum. Essentially these should be earned for making good posts which people agree with or have found useful, not because someone has been repping people for posts consisting of "LOL's" in the spam forum and then receiving rep backs in return.

If that is what the community believes what rep is then I suppose the community won't mind if I reset the scores to 0, start new members with 30,000 points or even start offering managers 1000 points a month to go along with their forum vip.

Ok so not only does that post still not answer the question, it completely voids the entire point of a community as opposed to a help forum. I'm not sure if you're aware of the definition of reputation but it does not only allude to a person's ability to answer a question clinically, and if you think providing entertainment and forming friendships isn't worthy of any recognition then I don't see why you want to run a site based around such things. I'm not sure where you get the idea that most reps are "rep backs", unless there's some secret ring of dedicated reppers that I'm not aware of, and your last paragraph is utter nonsense considering those terms would have nothing to do with popularity at all, so it doesn't fit with your (wrong) allegations.

On second thought I think I might implement some of those ideas.

Set admin rep lower because then we won't have to hold back so much on -repping and also we don't need to spread anyway.

Give management rep points for their dedication as they do deserve it.

Increase newly registered rep points.

Thanks FJ

Well I haven't actually written about any of those points so the thanks is undeserved, I believe you've gotten those excerpts from posts by other people. I'm really not asking much, all I wanted was to know the reason that you increased the rep power for admins. I'm not attacking you or being rude or sarcastic about anything, I just asked a very simple question which you don't seem to want to answer, even though I've said over and over that I'd be happy with even a basic "because I felt like it".

[Jin]

Holy crap dude, I have given my answer like 5 times now in 2 different threads. I think you dont want to accept it as my answer. I can't repeat myself any more than I have done as it would be a complete waste of my time.

Anyway sod it, I just have to accept that the rep system is incredibly flawed and people like it that way and if you can't beat them, join them.

I guess the only way to deal with the flawed system would be to use rep as a way of rewarding people.

[buttons]

On second thought I think I might implement some of those ideas.

Set admin rep lower because then we won't have to hold back so much on -repping and also we don't need to spread anyway.

Give management rep points for their dedication as they do deserve it

Thanks FJ

lol you are so childish, why is it easier to get banned for disagreeing with management than it is to troll and bully someone? as for your staff issuing rep responsibily, i think not. doesn't explain how on two seperate occasions i was -repped twice in a row by an admin on personal grounds, does it? :?

[Stephen]

hxf is corrupt

elect me as your new manager or become like egypt

[nvrspk4]

LOVELY CONSTRUCTIVE THREAD EVERYBODY.

Chippiewill, please get off your bloody high horse. The argument is consistently used that the management has to be responsible to its users or they will all desert the management, and it has yet to happen that the userbase has entirely deserted the forum. What you, and those who have used this argument before you, fail to recognize is the issue you perceive as management being unresponsive to a userbase is an issue that is actually more localized to you and another group of people. There is a much larger silent majority which either doesn't really care about the issue, or realizes that if they discuss the issue in a rational and respectful way, they will get responses from General Management.

I think the majority of closed threads have valid reasoning, I see the point in one or two of the most recent threads but I'd take a step out to say that though one or two threads may have been closed prematurely it's unfair to generalize and speak about the fact that General Management have been closing "a lot of threads" when most have been fair. With regards to the rep thread specifically, I think it was a bit of frustration as management pretty clearly explained themselves and the members chose to ignore that explanation, then an update was offered, and again ignored. Some members did respond to the new explanation but many others didn't. Perhaps it was not the best idea to close the thread but from what I can see management were taking quite a few unfair lumps, both in that thread and this, so I can understand where they were coming from.

[Inseriousity.]

Closed threads don't just happen in feedback

Anyway, if management are so trigger-happy banning members from feedback, the whole "to stop arguments" reason is kinda flawed. As GommeInc said, he was posting constructive arguments in that thread. If the users who were arguing (and yes it does take two to tango) were banned from the feedback forum, perhaps the thread will go back to being constructive. Tbh, I don't really think members should be banned for feedback. It's the feedback forum and debate can cause friction (no sexual innunendo intended, honest).

On top of that, threads can often go from one topic to another. I don't think threads should be closed for this either as often constructive feedback can be taken from there. For example, in December 2009, a thread about Habbox in general ended up focusing on the competitions department but not until the 6th page or something! While the majority of it was non-constructive, reading between the lines, you can often find a lot of constructive suggestions that could be used.

PS. I do not want a higher rep just because I'm management. I'll work my way up like everyone else.

[Hayleigh]

You can still bring up a point without centring it on another person. Feedback is generally for things that would mean the advancing of the site , but surely then there is no need to criticize either staff or members of the forum (which is probably why the threads get closed, generally ********). I do agree that both sides need to be fair then and the whole v6 thing didn't need to attack individuals if i'm honest, and the answers could have been kept short and sweet. If you wanted to continue to prove a point in the feedback forum (considering its not targeting other members or being rude) you could make a new thread and the worst that could happen would be it being closed. If you want to target staff there is a private complaints section -_-
To conclude feedback threads are 90% of the time closed either because they are no longer needed and gm's have seen them and a conclusion has been reached or to stop ********.Thread's arent usually deleted you can still see as can (a)gm's the constructive feedback so that is never lost.

[Catzsy]

LOVELY CONSTRUCTIVE THREAD EVERYBODY.

Chippiewill, please get off your bloody high horse. The argument is consistently used that the management has to be responsible to its users or they will all desert the management, and it has yet to happen that the userbase has entirely deserted the forum. What you, and those who have used this argument before you, fail to recognize is the issue you perceive as management being unresponsive to a userbase is an issue that is actually more localized to you and another group of people. There is a much larger silent majority which either doesn't really care about the issue, or realizes that if they discuss the issue in a rational and respectful way, they will get responses from General Management.

I think the majority of closed threads have valid reasoning, I see the point in one or two of the most recent threads but I'd take a step out to say that though one or two threads may have been closed prematurely it's unfair to generalize and speak about the fact that General Management have been closing "a lot of threads" when most have been fair. With regards to the rep thread specifically, I think it was a bit of frustration as management pretty clearly explained themselves and the members chose to ignore that explanation, then an update was offered, and again ignored. Some members did respond to the new explanation but many others didn't. Perhaps it was not the best idea to close the thread but from what I can see management were taking quite a few unfair lumps, both in that thread and this, so I can understand where they were coming from.

You can still bring up a point without centring it on another person. Feedback is generally for things that would mean the advancing of the site , but surely then there is no need to criticize either staff or members of the forum (which is probably why the threads get closed, generally ********). I do agree that both sides need to be fair then and the whole v6 thing didn't need to attack individuals if i'm honest, and the answers could have been kept short and sweet. If you wanted to continue to prove a point in the feedback forum (considering its not targeting other members or being rude) you could make a new thread and the worst that could happen would be it being closed. If you want to target staff there is a private complaints section -_-
To conclude feedback threads are 90% of the time closed either because they are no longer needed and gm's have seen them and a conclusion has been reached or to stop ********.Thread's arent usually deleted you can still see as can (a)gm's the constructive feedback so that is never lost.

Nails hit on the head there. When it remains objective it's fine but when it falls into subjectivity with wild accusations and basically personal insults then it's time to close it as it fails to realistically get any futher forward with reasoned argument.

[Hecktix]

I am glad to see the administrative rep has been reduced to 20 points, this is what I feel a fairer amount although I'd be quite happy to not have admin rep.

In terms of the bans from this forum in the last night, I do not agree with and it is rare for a member to be banned from the feedback forum unless they are quite clearly causing trouble.