Weed

[Stephen]

weed can only be psychologically addictive, say you smoke every night before bed, you get into the habit of doing that, just like people who drink coffee every morning when they wake up, or someone who eats at mcdonalds every day. there are no physical withdrawal symptoms and your body cannot become dependent on it like other drugs. the addiction argument is null and void.

Are you saying that mcdonalds is psychologically addictive?

Cos I'd define someone who eats it everyday as an unhealthy fat **** with a bad habit

[FlyingJesus]

i gave my evidence

Still have not seen any links to studies or anything but you keep saying you've given evidence of your views being correct

should we legalise ecstasy also?

Yes because that is also less damaging than alcohol and tobacco and merely requires an understanding of how it works. All that is achieved by criminalising drugs is more dangerous compounds (cut with all sorts of other, cheaper things) and a total lack of control for all involved

addiction will cause a lot of unwanted crimes to happen.

I agree with you on the main point that it ought to be legalised and regulated, but you seem to have this idea that marijuana addiction is actually a big problem. Of the literally hundreds of people I've known who've dabbled with the stuff, I've only known one to have built up an addiction, and that was due to him pretty much forcing addiction on himself by being high 24/7 for about 4 months. It's one of the least addictive substances out there, and people are far more likely to just get a nicotine addiction from the tobacco they smoke it with

weed can only be psychologically addictive, say you smoke every night before bed, you get into the habit of doing that, just like people who drink coffee every morning when they wake up, or someone who eats at mcdonalds every day. there are no physical withdrawal symptoms and your body cannot become dependent on it like other drugs. the addiction argument is null and void.

While the premise is true (it's "only" a psychological addiction even if it does ever occur) that shouldn't be taken quite so lightly. Psychological dependency isn't something you can just be like "oh never mind, it's all in my head" and turn off, even if you have the strongest will in the world. That's the same sort of attitude that tells mentally ill people to just shut up and get on with it because there are no physical signs

[froobe]

Weed is good.

Girls who smoke weed are also good.

That is all.

[le harry]

addiction will cause a lot of unwanted crimes to happen. not just possession and dealing. the most important purpose for legalising it is to educate people and get everything under control instead of spending not just money but also risking lives of thousands of people. in fact, not legalising it didn't help much in regulating the addiction. so, why not try another way and see how it'll work? and I don't know how you think legalising marijuana will lead to a worse addiction. certainly the substance should be controlled for its medicinal values etc. and the effects of marijuana and prostitution might not be the same. but obviously allowing prostitution and controlling it will help to lower the risk of STDs and getting impregnated etc.? an example would be Singapore.

it's late so can someone merge my two posts cuz *** re-editing.

saving thousands of lives? MARIJUANA DOES NOT KILL. It was scientifically tested that for the THC levels in your system to be lethal, roughly 979 hits of weed were required. If you smoked, you would know how impossible that is. you want to educate people marijuana? tell them that it's harmless, you get tired and laugh at ****. it will not **** up your future unless you become a massive stoner. if you're able to become dependant on marijuana so easily then you can't blame the drug. if it wasn't for pot, then it will probably have been something else. I would even go as far to say that video games are far more harmful then marijuana if we want to take into education and the future. From previous experience, I can honestly say that video games have affected my marks more than marijuana ever has.

Also, if you were aware of the effects of marijuana, you would also know that no unwanted crimes happen. Possession and dealing are literally the only things that come from smoking weed. You smoke, you eat, you sleep. Sure there's a chance that a car accident may occur, but not to the large extent that it should be regulated lol. How will legalising it lead to a worse addiction you ask? It's far more readily available, far more people will be open to try it, far more people will subsequently become dependant on it. It's not rocket science. Man if marijuana was legal, I can assure you i'd be smoking a lot more than I currently do and I'm positive all my friends would aswell.

Furthermore, do you think legalising it will get it under control? Does the legalisation of alcohol and tobacco prevent deaths?

These statistics are old but you get the picture:



Now tell me, what are the two main drug killers and what is there legality status right now? Oh right, alcohol and marijuana. Now quit arguing when you have no idea what you're ******* talking about.


this is a pretty good video as to why it shouldn't legalised haha. it has no public policy points, but anyone who gets blazed will understand: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/66...-legalize-weed

Yes because that is also less damaging than alcohol and tobacco and merely requires an understanding of how it works. All that is achieved by criminalising drugs is more dangerous compounds (cut with all sorts of other, cheaper things) and a total lack of control for all involved

haha here on the coast, ecstasy is rarely just a party drug. usually far more altered than what it's advertised to be. although, you can argue that you can't really consider that ecstasy then. /shrug, maybe i'll experience the pure **** one day.

[redtom]

absolutely stinks so am against it either way.

Depends purely on the type, weed has a massive range of smells and strengths in smell.

however, smoking weed is unhealthy for your body and so, i don't really care.

THC has been proven to have many medical benefits and only proven side effect of weed is not of causing psychological problems but instead just activating these problems earlier in your life then they would have appear naturally. This is also a incredibly small % of people, much less of a risk then say cancers caused by both drinking and smoking tobacco. Weed is incredibly healthy when compared to most common drugs.

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I don't like weed, i think its pointless and its illegal for a reason. People who smoke are ultimately unattractive and I find it disgusting.

What reason is it illegal? (I actually don't know so would like to know)

A lazy lifestyle is an unhealthy lifestyle. can actually imagine how productive a country will be with people practicing such lifestyle.

Obama has openly admitted to smoking weed.
Many successful computer programmers smoked weed and repeatedly raved about its benefits. The same is also said for many authors, artists and musicians. Its said to help with rights block and one ever its called when you stare at the same thing for ages and can't see what your looking for (Forgot the word used to describe that.)
Holland is one of the most beautiful countries in Europe and has if I remember correctly one of the highest levels happiness.


Weed isn't addictive, at all and Hemp would prove jobs for millions in the UK its one of the words best natural resources and has many applications, its not just good for smoking. In a recent report it was said that legalisation of weed in the uk would be 10 billion to the economy instantly

[GirlNextDoor15]

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I have qualms with the way they bang on about it. Why do people go on about it all the time? You don't bang on about having a cigarette or a can of lager, so why bang on about having an illegal drug?

I have no qualms with people smoking it, it's their choice, as long as they don't do what I have outlined in the Spoiler, it isn't an issue in the slightest.

Who knows smoking only rolled tobacco leaves will turn into smoking reconstituted tobacco and 4000+ additives? Who knows with wine, there'll be lager, beer, vodka and so on? People will do whatever they can to create a greater demand and the demand itself is worrying. Thus, it should be controlled. I think there was a time people were thinking like you are right now.

Still have not seen any links to studies or anything but you keep saying you've given evidence of your views being correct

uhm right. i did not give out any links to studies but I did mention something about China's history of opium wars. I don't know which is more addictive. However, opium was used as a weapon which caused preventable wars. They started out as a normal trade of tea-opium but ended badly with China paying war debts to Britain and Hong Kong ceded to Queen Victoria. Addiction made the wars even worse. People and the whole country suffered from it. If only there wasn't a huge demand of opium, wars would not happen. Same with weed here. What weed can do will be even worse than opium. Although natural weed alone may not cause addiction, I am sure synthetic weed will with its chemical substances. I never smoke weed before and so, I don't know how to differentiate natural weed from synthetic weed. Plus, not legalising it makes it even worse because the demand of weed causes some people to be ignorant and they probably won't even care whether the weed they are smoking is natural or not. Like they said, for recreational purposes.

I agree with you on the main point that it ought to be legalised and regulated, but you seem to have this idea that marijuana addiction is actually a big problem. Of the literally hundreds of people I've known who've dabbled with the stuff, I've only known one to have built up an addiction, and that was due to him pretty much forcing addiction on himself by being high 24/7 for about 4 months. It's one of the least addictive substances out there, and people are far more likely to just get a nicotine addiction from the tobacco they smoke it with

Did some homework about the addiction part. Weed is said to be the safest drug, apparently. However, with sugar alone, comes aspartame and artificial sweeteners. With salt alone, comes MSG. They are all unhealthy to our body but that doesn't mean they should be banned. Instead, they should be controlled and people should educate themselves about the consequences of consuming them and stay away from it as possible as they can.

weed can only be psychologically addictive, say you smoke every night before bed, you get into the habit of doing that, just like people who drink coffee every morning when they wake up, or someone who eats at mcdonalds every day. there are no physical withdrawal symptoms and your body cannot become dependent on it like other drugs. the addiction argument is null and void.

This doesn't represent forever. We used to have pure coffee without caffeine and now, it contains caffeine. Eating french fries doesn't mean it contains only potato and oil, sweetie.

saving thousands of lives? MARIJUANA DOES NOT KILL. It was scientifically tested that for the THC levels in your system to be lethal, roughly 979 hits of weed were required. If you smoked, you would know how impossible that is.

ok fine. Marijuana does not directly cause deaths but it causes preventable deaths and so, it shouldn't be neglected.

How will legalising it lead to a worse addiction you ask? It's far more readily available, far more people will be open to try it, far more people will subsequently become dependant on it. It's not rocket science. Man if marijuana was legal, I can assure you i'd be smoking a lot more than I currently do and I'm positive all my friends would aswell.

At least hopefully, synthetic marijuana will be less produced and will not be brought into a country. Still, people shouldn't smoke it though. Prevention is better than cure.

Furthermore, do you think legalising it will get it under control? Does the legalisation of alcohol and tobacco prevent deaths?

You are contradicting yourself here. At first, you totally supported that marijuana is harmless and now, you're saying it will lead to a worse addiction and not prevent death. If it is like what you said 'harmless', why shouldn't the government legalise and then, regulate it?
Some people turn to alcohol and tobacco because marijuana('the safest drug') is not legalised and sadly, both alcohol and tobacco are highly addictive.

Obama has openly admitted to smoking weed.
Many successful computer programmers smoked weed and repeatedly raved about its benefits. The same is also said for many authors, artists and musicians. Its said to help with rights block and one ever its called when you stare at the same thing for ages and can't see what your looking for (Forgot the word used to describe that.)
Holland is one of the most beautiful countries in Europe and has if I remember correctly one of the highest levels happiness.

The world doesn't revolve around western countries only.

Weed isn't addictive, at all and Hemp would prove jobs for millions in the UK its one of the words best natural resources and has many applications, its not just good for smoking. In a recent report it was said that legalisation of weed in the uk would be 10 billion to the economy instantly

Synthetic weed is addictive and won't that 10 billion contribute to the productivity of UK? No statistics or evidences involved here but if weed is just like what le harry said, causes laziness? What about decreasing rate of gang activity? What about prison spending taking a nosedive? What about a large cut in military spending?

[Stephen]

synthetic cannabis is only around more because weed is illegal. Controlling anything just leads people to taking something more harmful which is why banning drugs causes more harm than good. It's a game of cat and mouse which is never going to end and it gets more dangerous with every step. The government think they're helping by banning all this stuff but I'd go as far as saying that they're the cause of most drug related deaths

[le harry]

eh i've made my point. your argument now just seems to follow that "we should regulate because we can" so there isn't any debate. with regards to the contradiction - it was a rhetorical question. i wasn't referring to deaths, my bad, rather the problems you said that stem from marijuana addiction.

[FlyingJesus]

uhm right. i did not give out any links to studies but I did mention something about China's history of opium wars. I don't know which is more addictive. However, opium was used as a weapon which caused preventable wars. They started out as a normal trade of tea-opium but ended badly with China paying war debts to Britain and Hong Kong ceded to Queen Victoria. Addiction made the wars even worse. People and the whole country suffered from it. If only there wasn't a huge demand of opium, wars would not happen. Same with weed here. What weed can do will be even worse than opium. Although natural weed alone may not cause addiction, I am sure synthetic weed will with its chemical substances. I never smoke weed before and so, I don't know how to differentiate natural weed from synthetic weed. Plus, not legalising it makes it even worse because the demand of weed causes some people to be ignorant and they probably won't even care whether the weed they are smoking is natural or not. Like they said, for recreational purposes.

Opium is processed to create heroin, which is quite famous for its highly addictive qualities to the point where it's reported that you can get addicted from a single hit and can kill you at any time. Compare that with how marijuana is even less addictive than caffeine and has minimal damage comparable to, say, a lack of sleep. I can't see from that how it could possibly do worse things to humanity than opium has, especially considering the fact that we actually know the effects of both now whereas at the time of the big opium trade very little was medically known concerning its long-term effects. As for synthetic cannabinoids, these are often more expensive and less effective than the natural plant and since they too are often made illegal, it would make very little sense for a street dealer to cut real marijuana with chemically-enhanced mixes, so I don't see them becoming a widespread problem at any time. It's far more likely that cannabis itself will be made legal than it is that someone will develop a cost-effective synthetic with the proper strength and necessary antipsychotic chemicals to be a major player in the drug market.

Did some homework about the addiction part. Weed is said to be the safest drug, apparently. However, with sugar alone, comes aspartame and artificial sweeteners. With salt alone, comes MSG. They are all unhealthy to our body but that doesn't mean they should be banned. Instead, they should be controlled and people should educate themselves about the consequences of consuming them and stay away from it as possible as they can.

I really hope you're not advocating for government intervention and legislation over all potentially harmful substances lol, especially since sugar and salt are both absolutely necessary nutrients

This doesn't represent forever. We used to have pure coffee without caffeine and now, it contains caffeine.

What world do you live in where coffee doesn't naturally have a caffeine content :S

ok fine. Marijuana does not directly cause deaths but it causes preventable deaths and so, it shouldn't be neglected.

As does oxygen. As does water. As does absolutely anything, along with absolutely nothing.

[GirlNextDoor15]

Opium is processed to create heroin, which is quite famous for its highly addictive qualities to the point where it's reported that you can get addicted from a single hit and can kill you at any time. Compare that with how marijuana is even less addictive than caffeine and has minimal damage comparable to, say, a lack of sleep. I can't see from that how it could possibly do worse things to humanity than opium has, especially considering the fact that we actually know the effects of both now whereas at the time of the big opium trade very little was medically known concerning its long-term effects. As for synthetic cannabinoids, these are often more expensive and less effective than the natural plant and since they too are often made illegal, it would make very little sense for a street dealer to cut real marijuana with chemically-enhanced mixes, so I don't see them becoming a widespread problem at any time. It's far more likely that cannabis itself will be made legal than it is that someone will develop a cost-effective synthetic with the proper strength and necessary antipsychotic chemicals to be a major player in the drug market.
What world do you live in where coffee doesn't naturally have a caffeine content :S

Should have written it properly, my bad.
http://dherbs.com/articles/caffeine-...feine-304.html
Synthetic caffeine can be just as addictive as synthetic nicotine etc. if more addictives are used.
I think tobacco was cheaper than cigarettes back then and you don't see the addiction going down. The demand is there as more and more people are getting addicted to cigarettes. Once there's a demand, there'll be an industry running to fulfill the demand or something even though cigarettes are harmful because of the 4000+ addictives rather than tobacco.
of course we don't hope smoking weed will cause addiction like that but synthetic marijuana still exists and needs to be controlled whether it is cheap or expensive.

I really hope you're not advocating for government intervention and legislation over all potentially harmful substances lol, especially since sugar and salt are both absolutely necessary nutrients

naaaaa. I was just giving examples lol. sugar and salt are necessary but with a limit. we can control our diet for that. msg and aspartame are proven harmful if we consume them excessively.

As does oxygen. As does water. As does absolutely anything, along with absolutely nothing.

Agreed but don't we all try to prevent it? lol nobody's forcing u to swim when u no u cant.