US School Shooting

[Absently]

im always so lost for words when these type of things happen. Obviously their mind isn't right, but it's still so strange.. All those innocent victims, especially the young children who had yet to live their lives so close to Christmas too ugh. Rip to them all

[peteyt]

RIP to all those who have been killed, let's hope this coward faces the noose.



You know the rates of HIV amongst homosexuals is around 10% in cities such as London? should homosexuality be banned? are you aware of the deaths resulting from high salt intake? perhaps we should ban salt or at least regulate it. What about knives? surely people cannot be trusted with them? maybe we should introduce knife carrying classes for all adults and issue licenses.



The backwards mentality is that people such as yourself call for guns to be banned when, had the public been armed in that situation, many lives would have been saved. The area where the Batman shooting took place had..... you guessed it, strict gun controls which you advocate - yet surprisingly a piece of paper didn't stop a madman from murdering people did it?

The discussion isn't anything to do with children being armed, so please do not try and make your already weak argument into a chunkier one by making up points that no sensible person in favour of gun rights has raised or suggested. If you want to debate this topic sensibly, then respond to actual points rather than making them up as you go along.

If you want an example of a country which has this right, Israel is apparently that country. In Israel, the teachers are armed and carry weapons so that when a situation does arise such as this - they can take action rather than waiting for the state police to arrive after which many people are dead. I have read that in Israel as a result of this policy, only one school has suffered from a gun massacre. There's the solution.

But because it doesn't fit into the "omgz gunz r bad cos lyke ya can shoot ppl" I expect this logical argument to be dismissed.

I partly agree and disagree. The problem I think is that because America has been allowed guns for so many years legally in most cases, they have became part of many of the public's lives, something they have become accustomed to. It's important to note the shooter wasn't actually the legal age to buy a gun, so although I agree that more gun laws should be brought in, it does look like it probably wouldn't really help because people would get them via the black market - my point being that people have grown up possibly knowing this stuff.

But also look at the UK we are a lot stricter and yeah we have incidents but you never really here about shootout's at school's like this, it's usually big gangs that have guns not just general people.

I believe somewhere there is a solution, a right balance between allowing guns but strictly. What it is though, well that's the big question.

[karter]

he killed his own mother. wow just wow, you cannot just kill 20 CHILDREN AND YOUR OWN MOTHER, what have they even done. the killer is the biggest coward ever born, taking your anger on weak children shows how sick he is. RIP to everyone else fallen. My thoughts are for their family and friends

[Eric]

This is horrifying. I personally think that changing the gun laws won't make any difference, we can't entirely blame it on the weapons. I agreed with some of the things Undertaker has said, we can't outlaw everything that could be used as a murder weapon. Removing guns won't do anything to stop these mass killings, if they're evil and insane they could always find other ways to kill people eg. use bombs for massacre. My point is there's nothing to do with guns, they've been around in the US for a long time, its something to do with how the society was being taught.

[karter]

Damn, I feel bad for Ryan Lanza. His profile picture on facebook has about 11k shares most of the people are like "so this is the *******". Really..can't people check sources before doing this? I mean he has lost his mother and brother, it is already too shocking for him to come home and get flooded by abuse for a thing he has not done

[Emz]

Such a tragedy
I must admit I´m pretty glad our country has one of the strictest gun-laws in the world. Only hunters(for moose and bird shooting) have guns, and gangs i guess, but not the general people on the streets.

In Norway we have one of the lowest crime rates, and guess what, even policemen on the streets aren't allowed to carry guns . So don´t come here and say that providing everyone with guns and safety goes hand in hand. We have never had a single school massacre or accident where a child or young adult has used parent's/some one else's gun. I haven't even seen a real gun before and I´m 22, lol.

But Americans have grown up with guns i guess, like some people mentioned earlier. So it has always been a part of the society to own a gun and be on "guard". Not easy to change that in a short period of time :-p But I´m not saying that all Americans have their own guns!

[Metric1]

I was driving through CT just as that happened, there were so many state troopers on the highway. I got held up at the border because of it. It's a sin that he did that in a elementary school, those kids were so young and had their whole lives ahead of them.. my heart goes out to the families of the victims..

[Ekelektra]

Those poor children I was talking to someone about this and they were saying how if it was a high school the students would have hidden and run or set the classroom up for lockdown, but an elementary school, those kids would have been so scared and shocked and they probably wouldn't even have thought to hide. And they're so young too.

Damn, I feel bad for Ryan Lanza. His profile picture on facebook has about 11k shares most of the people are like "so this is the *******". Really..can't people check sources before doing this? I mean he has lost his mother and brother, it is already too shocking for him to come home and get flooded by abuse for a thing he has not done

And this too I feel for him getting all this abuse when he'd have so many other things going on right now.

[karter]

This is horrifying. I personally think that changing the gun laws won't make any difference, we can't entirely blame it on the weapons. I agreed with some of the things Undertaker has said, we can't outlaw everything that could be used as a murder weapon. Removing guns won't do anything to stop these mass killings, if they're evil and insane they could always find other ways to kill people eg. use bombs for massacre. My point is there's nothing to do with guns, they've been around in the US for a long time, its something to do with how the society was being taught.

Every year just over 30,000 people die in the US from gunshot wounds. Every two years more US citizens are killed by gunshot wounds than were lost in the entire Vietnam war.

Lets look at this another way. With a population of 310 million and an annual death rate of 8.3/1000 , we can calculate that 2,573,000 people die in the US each year.
Of which 30,000 die of Gun Shot - so if you live in the US you have a 1.166% chance that you will die of Gun Shot wound. The rate of gunshot deaths is about 8 times that of economically comparable nations.

Approximately 8,000 homicides annually occur with gunshot wounds. About 16,000 commit suicide with handguns. Nearly 1,000 die in gun related accidents each year. The number of persons shot by police is slightly elusive.

Why is this happening only in the USA? It's not like USA has the most potential killers living there. Violence can be stopped by bringing gun restrictions. Killers like these find a motive when they have guns, we cannot change the people but we CAN prevent them from doing so. The problem, obviously will not be entirely solved but thousands of people will get to live.

[Eric]

Why is this happening only in the USA? It's not like USA has the most potential killers living there. Violence can be stopped by bringing gun restrictions. Killers like these find a motive when they have guns, we cannot change the people but we CAN prevent them from doing so. The problem, obviously will not be entirely solved but thousands of people will get to live.

Maybe because USA has a big population and it has something to do with their media coverage and culture influence? You know not only it happens in USA, it happens in other countries as well like India and Thailand.

Even if there are gun restrictions or a new gun law, it wont put a halt to these gun crimes instantly, instead the crime rate might even goes up or double. UK gun crimes was up 35% with tight gun control laws. If someone wants to commit a crime they'll find ways to gain access to a gun or any weapons that could cause harm eg. a knife. In China, 8 children were murdered at an elementary school with a KNIFE by a man. They are criminals they don't care about laws, they do whatever they want.